Which offensive teammates were most important for Patrick’s early career?

[Chiefspants]

Watching Caleb Williams, Justin Fields, Bryce Young, Sam Darnold, et al struggle mightily in their early career has made me reflect on Patrick’s first three years with the Chiefs. I used to think the Legion of Zoom (and getting a rookie QB indulgence signing with Watkins) was the most important thing for him, but watching Patrick’s discomfort with his tackles the last two years has made think that Fish and Schwartz at the tackles may have been the most important teammates for Patrick, as they allowed him to take his 11 step drift backs to find Hill deep and he’s seldom been able to do that since.

So leaving coaches aside and being able to look back on a half decade of QB play, which teammates (categorized by position), do you think were most important for early career Patrick’s elite play?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

This is the stupidest lie that constantly gets posted. The only thing Alex Smith did was prevent Patrick Mahomes from having the greatest rookie season in NFL history.

Greatest rookie season for what? Gaffes?

There are multiple stories of Mahomes tossing dumptruck loads of interceptions in practice.

"Listen, the kid needs a lot of work" -Andy Reid

Getting to sit for a season and learn was his biggest help, and that's Andy Reid, and by default, Alex Smith.

It is what it is.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by tredadda

It’s possible though as Smith was an outlier because he actually mentored Mahomes. Most QBs would have given him the cold shoulder and refuse to help even slightly.

Look I was one of the loudest criticizers of Alex on this board, but I don’t think we can underestimate the fact that Alex could have gone scorched earth in the locker room on his way out the door (something he had happen to him by his coach as a rook in SF). I’m not sure how much Smith “taught” Patrick, but the fact Mahomes dad (himself a veteran of locker rooms), continues to credit Smith for helping Patrick’s transition to the NFL says a lot.

[chiefzilla1501]

Travis without a doubt. Especially in the early days where mahomes was doing lots and lots of things off script. Kelce is one of the best off script receivers the game has ever seen. It is also a reason, in my opinion, why demarcus Robinson was such a weapon for us. Unlike Travis, Demarcus is not great on script but he is exceptional getting open off script (of course… getting open and catching the ball and running forward, that’s a different story)

Not only early, but kelce has also been critical to the new mahomes era. Whereas tyreek got bracketed by two deep and we see the same this year with a healthy tua, kelce has always been scheme proof. Right now it’s more an issue of his physical limitations catching up to him

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I voted tackles, but the real answer is Reid. Reid is an excellent teacher and a smart football guy.

Some of these sister****ers that know they can't block and still have these dudes doing 5 and 7 step drops only to get ****ing dead are criminally bad.

Teaching and playcalling is far more critical to any one position group.

I voted for Kelce, who is still instrumental in PMII's success, but Reid is absolutely the best answer.

[Titty Meat]

Orlando Scandrick without him Patrick probably doesn't get as many chances to throw for 50 TDs

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Look I was one of the loudest criticizers of Alex on this board, but I don’t think we can underestimate the fact that Alex could have gone scorched earth in the locker room on his way out the door (something he had happen to him by his coach as a rook in SF). I’m not sure how much Smith “taught” Patrick, but the fact Mahomes dad (himself a veteran of locker rooms), continues to credit Smith for helping Patrick’s transition to the NFL says a lot.

Pat talks glowingly about how much he taught him about the game and how to prepare.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Orlando Scandrick without him Patrick probably doesn't get as many chances to throw for 50 TDs

Well he did blame the offense for losing that AFCCG.

[MMXcalibur]

It's Alex Smith.

All other answers are wrong.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Orlando Scandrick without him Patrick probably doesn't get as many chances to throw for 50 TDs

[Chiefspants]

Games like today reinforce how important having two game changing tackles were for Patrick’s early career.

If Patrick’s Year 1 as a starter has Wayna, OBJ, or Wylie at Tackle, there likely would have been a lot more growing pains.

[Easy 6]

Honestly not sure how Veach attempts to fix it midseason, outside of signing Smith as insurance/starter

But I'd bet good money he isn't waiting around for Kingsley, LT is just too important... he's going to swing HARD on a proven left tackle this offseason IMO

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Pat has admitted as much multiple times.

bullshit


pat has never said he was more important than hill or kelce


this is ridiculoous


theres no way smith "taught" Mahomes the things that makes mahomes so special. Without smith, he would still be mahomes..


But without kelce and hill in those early years.,....

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

the fact Mahomes dad (himself a veteran of locker rooms), continues to credit Smith for helping Patrick’s transition to the NFL says a lot.

it says that patrick is a nice guy for saying nice things about a co-worker


end of story

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Reid is absolutely the best answer.

this

[Valiant]

1..Reid
2. Kelce friendship
3. Whoever designed his play calling the early years, he doesn't hard could hardly anymore for free plays. Fewer moving pockets, hardly pump fakes.

I know our tackles are trash, but damn.