BURROWHEAD: Bengals talking a lot of sh1ttttt

[NIUhuskies]

I love that are doing this. Probably not smart to poke the bear

Spoiler!

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— ZIM (@zimwhodey) January 24, 2023

Willie just posted this one on his story

I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.

— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) January 23, 2023

AU_wde_2 posted [Willie Gay on IG] Taking some bulletin board material from Brett Kollmann https://t.co/NclopGIsUv https://t.co/gLVGqLP4N2

— r/KansasCityChiefs (@ChiefsOnReddit) January 24, 2023

I appreciate a good troll job….hats off to Cincinnati…definitely the only time I’m saying it. #ArrowheadInvitational #burrowhead #ChiefsKingdom #whodey #bengals pic.twitter.com/SH2tT9z4Or

— Bean (@JoeyFakaBean) January 24, 2023

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

It appears you don't even understand the assignment.

Appears you don’t understand math or football. You said you needed 2 of a good defense, a good oline, and a good running game. So, you either you can’t count or you don’t know football.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

Appears you don’t understand math or football. You said you needed 2 of a good defense, a good oline, and a good running game. So, you either you can’t count or you don’t know football.

3 things. Oline, running game, defense.

You need 2 of those three things to be working (any combination), is what i said. In my previous post, i posted where they were in-season and where they were in the SB. If i used ypc in one but not the other, it was to highlight were they were "good".

Understand. That's not a hard and fast rule that must be followed 100% of the time. There are outliers, just like there are in any analysis. It's just something that happens to be commonplace in championship teams.

Comprende?

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

3 things. Oline, running game, defense.

You need 2 of those three things to be working (any combination), is what i said. In my previous post, i posted where they were in-season and where they were in the SB. If i used ypc in one but not the other, it was to highlight were they were "good".

Understand. That's not a hard and fast rule that must be followed 100% of the time. There are outliers, just like there are in any analysis. It's just something that happens to be commonplace in championship teams.

Comprende?

lol… again… you cherry picked stats to prove that unit was “good”. What good is ypc without qualifying where that ranked to determine if it was “good” or not? Like you did with defensive ppg (cause it proved your point) but you excluded ypp (like you included ypc for rushing) because the Chiefs defense was a very average 16th at 5.4 ypp allowed.

You can search most any teams stat sheet to find 3 areas they were “good” at. So, if the recipe is THAT simple where is Joes? Or Lamar’s???

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

lol… again… you cherry picked stats to prove that unit was “good”. What good is ypc without qualifying where that ranked to determine if it was “good” or not? Like you did with defensive ppg (cause it proved your point) but you excluded ypp (like you included ypc for rushing) because the Chiefs defense was a very average 16th at 5.4 ypp allowed.

You can search most any teams stat sheet to find 3 areas they were “good” at. So, if the recipe is THAT simple where is Joes? Or Lamar’s???

You just.don't.get it.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I would have traded Tee, no matter how much Chase was gonna cost. You really need one elite weapon and Tee is just too injury prone.

Sure, but by trading Tee you get less of a return. Chase, especially with his age would commanded a haul. You use those picks to draft a solid WR and restock the defense with young talent. That long term might have been a better option, but each team has to do what they think gives them the best chance at winning. I am no GM and perhaps my strategy would not have worked.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Sure, but by trading Tee you get less of a return. Chase, especially with his age would commanded a haul. You use those picks to draft a solid WR and restock the defense with young talent. That long term might have been a better option, but each team has to do what they think gives them the best chance at winning. I am no GM and perhaps my strategy would not have worked.

Sure Chase would have demanded more in return, but the Bengals haven't shown to be a very good drafting team. So then they're stuck with a lesser talent who is injury prone and more draft picks to waste. I get what you're saying and agree in theory. Can't always use theory with the Bengals though.

Here are the Bengals drafts since Zac came on board in 2019.

Start off with the home runs; Burrow and Chase. Those were easy. 1OA and 5OA.

Starters: Germaine Pratt (mid), Tee Higgins (injured all the time), Logan Wilson (mid), Dax Hill (IR), CTB (mid with a big mouth), Cordell Volson (sucks major ass), Amarius Mims (TBD-decent so far).

That's 6 drafts. 2 Elite starters and 7 other starters that have a combined zero All Pros and a small handfull of Pro Bowls. Add in 21 backups and a couple PS guys.

That's not good...

Right now, the only guys they have not named Burrow and Chase, who look like they could be higher end players are Amarius Mims and Erick All from this years draft and Burton (WR), Battle (S) and Chase Brown (RB) look like they could be + players.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

2019 - seasonal - good Oline, running, not that great, defense 7th pts, 17th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 29/129/2/4.5ypc, defense gave up 20 pts.

2020 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 12th ypc, defense 10th pts, 16th yds.
SB - bad Oline, running, 17/107/0/6.3ypc, defense gave up 31 pts.

2022 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 8th ypc, defense 16th pts, 11th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 26/158/1/6.1ypc, defense gave up 35 pts.

2023 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 13th ypc, defense 2nd pts, 2nd yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 30/130/0/4.3ypc, defense gave up 22 pts.

You had a bad Oline in one instance--2020 SB.
You had a less than mediocre run game once--2019 season but they were good in the SB.
You never had worse than an average defense in season and in the SB, gave up 20 and 22 in 2 of the 4 games.

So you lowered the standard to being “mediocre” or “average” in those categories?

In Joey’s SB, his defense held the opponent to 23, his RB averaged just under 5 ypc, he enjoyed a 2-0 turnover advantage, and he had the best WRs in the league. What else does he need? An officiating crew full of Bengals fans?

[Chief_N_Bama]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

You just.don't.get it.

Your franchise has 0 Super Bowls. Appears the bengals just don’t get it.

You quote Super Bowl rushing stats as if that proves anything but you “JUST DONT GET” Mahomes rushing stats are included in that number. There are several teams every year that fit your description that have won absolutely nothing. Chiefs haven’t had a running game better than average in any Super Bowl season and only had a defense better than average once.

You have no point. Just random cherry picked stats.

[Red Dawg]

I feel their pain. We felt the anger of going 50 years of some bad teams and playoff losses galore. It sucked.

[Bengal Billy]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

So you lowered the standard to being “mediocre” or “average” in those categories?

In Joey’s SB, his defense held the opponent to 23, his RB averaged just under 5 ypc, he enjoyed a 2-0 turnover advantage, and he had the best WRs in the league. What else does he need? An officiating crew full of Bengals fans?

Yeah, I'm not sure the 2of3 thing may apply to that SB matchup.
The Bengals O-line was so extremely bad. Burrow was sacked 7 times (6 of them in the 3rd and 4th qtr). Plus there were multiple QB hits that weren't recorded as sacks.

The Rans tied the all time SB record for sacks with the '75 Steelers and '85 Bears (umm that's impressive).

Not sure the Bengals could do much with that. On the other hand now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the 2 of 3 thing does indeed apply. Cincy gave up a SB record for sacks and were constantly pressured, but still was in the game to the very end with a chance to win until, yup another QB hit and pressure ended the game.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

So you lowered the standard to being “mediocre” or “average” in those categories?

In Joey’s SB, his defense held the opponent to 23, his RB averaged just under 5 ypc, he enjoyed a 2-0 turnover advantage, and he had the best WRs in the league. What else does he need? An officiating crew full of Bengals fans?

No. Mediocre should be the floor. His defense was good. Mixon's statline was 15/72/0/4.8. The run game overall was 20/79/0/4.0. His Oline was dogshit, similar to Mahomes in the 2020 SB.

Burrow failed in the SB to extend a lead or to drive for a GWFG. As Stone Cold says, that's the bottom line but i can give him a break because he was under constant pressure in the 2nd half and he was sacked 7 times in the game (5 in the 2nd half, i believe). The Bengals had 1 of those 3 areas that played well enough to win. Just like Mahomes had in the 2020 SB that they lost.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

Your franchise has 0 Super Bowls. Appears the bengals just don’t get it.

You quote Super Bowl rushing stats as if that proves anything but you “JUST DONT GET” Mahomes rushing stats are included in that number. There are several teams every year that fit your description that have won absolutely nothing. Chiefs haven’t had a running game better than average in any Super Bowl season and only had a defense better than average once.

You have no point. Just random cherry picked stats.

All these opportunities and you still don't get it. I don't have the time right now to explain it to you, but i'm sure i'll be back tonight. I'll break it down point by point to you, but i'm not confident that you'll understand even with that.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy

Yeah, I'm not sure the 2of3 thing may apply to that SB matchup.
The Bengals O-line was so extremely bad. Burrow was sacked 7 times (6 of them in the 3rd and 4th qtr). Plus there were multiple QB hits that weren't recorded as sacks.

The Rans tied the all time SB record for sacks with the '75 Steelers and '85 Bears (umm that's impressive).

Not sure the Bengals could do much with that. On the other hand now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the 2 of 3 thing does indeed apply. Cincy gave up a SB record for sacks and were constantly pressured, but still was in the game to the very end with a chance to win until, yup another QB hit and pressure ended the game.

Oh, it applies. Like i said earlier, it's not a 100% guarantee but it's one of those things that bears out in the majority of cases. I'm kind of blanking on the phrase...maybe statistical probability...but it's one of those things things you see when you look deeper to find common denominators.

If you look at KCs 4 SBs, 3 of them the boxes were checked and they won. 1 wasn't checked and they lost.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Jumpball Joey choked away 2 ring opportunities. Failed to put away a SuperBowl against a Ram mercenary crew and couldn't beat a crippled Pat. When the game was given to him he shit it away.

He had plenty of "support"

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Jumpball Joey choked away 2 ring opportunities. Failed to put away a SuperBowl against a Ram mercenary crew and couldn't beat a crippled Pat. When the game was given to him he shit it away.

He had plenty of "support"

Why didn't Pat win in 2020? He had plenty of support. #1 offense in yards, 6th in scoring. A middle of the pack run game and defense. He had Tyreek and Travis. What went wrong?