Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2

[HonestChieffan]

Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I would also add that a .308 is something anybody serious about guns should have. It is a powerful round, generally available and not ridiculously priced. Also pretty near the top end of what will fit in a normal-sized magazine.

A new gun range opened right down the street from me, and they have some .308's and Creedmoors on sale for what appear to be very reasonable prices.

And like you said, I'd like to have a .308-ish rifle in the collection. Also, a .40 or .45 caliber handgun to boot (I have two 9mm's).

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

A new gun range opened right down the street from me, and they have some .308's and Creedmoors on sale for what appear to be very reasonable prices.

And like you said, I'd like to have a .308-ish rifle in the collection. Also, a .40 or .45 caliber handgun to boot (I have two 9mm's).

If you have to choose between the .40/.45, I'd pick the .45. I like my .40s, but they never bring a smile to my face like a .45, Just my 2 cents.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Uhh, would you (or anyone) be able to explain this to me? Please?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...t+action+rifle

That's quite the markdown! Kinda curious as to why, unless it's just beat to shit.

I've never heard of that ammo type, and I worked at a gun shop. A good rule of thumb is to get weapons chambered in rounds that you can actually find. And while it's just a me thing, I personally loathe bolt action rifles. I would never own one. And a price that low sends up all sorts of warning flares. Generally, you get what you pay for. I wouldn't trust it. Probably the rifle equivalent of Clay's knockoff James Bond pistol.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Uhh, would you (or anyone) be able to explain this to me? Please?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...t+action+rifle

That's quite the markdown! Kinda curious as to why, unless it's just beat to shit.

just read about it. It's a straight-walled cut down 6.8 cartridge created for states that have restrictions on how far your rifle round can travel, like IN. Think .40 cal for deer hunting at close range.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Bowser

A new gun range opened right down the street from me, and they have some .308's and Creedmoors on sale for what appear to be very reasonable prices.

And like you said, I'd like to have a .308-ish rifle in the collection. Also, a .40 or .45 caliber handgun to boot (I have two 9mm's).

I'd go with a .45 over a .40. Most .40s are .40 barrels on 9mm frames, so they tend to be really snappy. 10mm is a great round (more stopping power than a .45) but they are expensive and can be harder to find. If I was going to invest in a new gun with a different ammo type, it would probably be a .10. I've shot several and really like them.

But I'd say .45 for you. And not a 1911 (everybody here should know by now how I feel about defensive pistols with external safeties). I have a Walther PPQ in .45 that is absolutely ****ing awesome.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

If you have to choose between the .40/.45, I'd pick the .45. I like my .40s, but they never bring a smile to my face like a .45, Just my 2 cents.

I've fired a Glock .45 several times and I'm always accurate with it; must have something to do with the weight of the gun itself? Friend of mine has a Springfield XD .40 as his carry and loves it.

Originally Posted by Frazod

I've never heard of that ammo type, and I worked at a gun shop. A good rule of thumb is to get weapons chambered in rounds that you can actually find. And while it's just a me thing, I personally loathe bolt action rifles. I would never own one. And a price that low sends up all sorts of warning flares. Generally, you get what you pay for. I wouldn't trust it. Probably the rifle equivalent of Clay's knockoff James Bond pistol.

My first thought was that ammo must be a bitch to find. I've never heard of "400 Legend" ammo before (I AM a rookie at the rifle game).

I agree with you - I think I'd rather not have a bolt action, but I'd still like to take each for a test drive to know for sure.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

just read about it. It's a straight-walled cut down 6.8 cartridge created for states that have restrictions on how far your rifle round can travel, like IN. Think .40 cal for deer hunting at close range.

Ah, there it is. Appreciate the research!

I will pass on the rifle marked down by 94%, lol.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I've fired a Glock .45 several times and I'm always accurate with it; must have something to do with the weight of the gun itself? Friend of mine has a Springfield XD .40 as his carry and loves it.





My first thought was that ammo must be a bitch to find. I've never heard of "400 Legend" ammo before (I AM a rookie at the rifle game).

I agree with you - I think I'd rather not have a bolt action, but I'd still like to take each for a test drive to know for sure.

I have too many .45s. Couple polymers, like my M&P45 (also have it in .40), and 5 1911s. I think. Frazod is, of course, right; the .40s are generally snappy. It makes it harder to be consistently accurate. If you spend the time/$$$, you can be just as accurate an nearly as quick as you are with say your 9s. But it's an investment.

.45s recoil-wise aren't that different from 9s. And accuracy-wise, at the distances 99.99999% of people shoot at, there won't be any real difference either. And there's just nothing quite like sending big, fat hunks of lead downrange. Especially if it's out of a 1911.

[srvy]

Sig Cross has had my eye if you favor a pistol grip style bolt action.


MSRP $1600 in .308 win.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by srvy

Sig Cross has had my eye if you favor a pistol grip style bolt action.


MSRP $1600 in .308 win.

Wild-looking thing. Also wonder if it's as front-heavy as it looks.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Ah, there it is. Appreciate the research!

I will pass on the rifle marked down by 94%, lol.

Yeah, as Frazod said, I would look for a rifle chambered in a caliber that's universal, like the .308. I did find some info on the 400 Legend. Ballistically, it's between the 350 and 450 Bushmasters. Hits harder and shoots flatter than a .30-30, it looks like. Velocities seem to be just over 2,000fps.

Cost appears to be between $1.45/rd, and $2. Also, in the two sites I checked, they weren't available, lol.


A pic of the round:
https://content.osgnetworks.tv/photo...ges_custom.jpg

[srvy]

I personally like the old-school Bolt action rifles with straight combed western-style stock.
Shorter barrel in Missouri for whitetails is fine and less treestand trimming to swing around.
The venerable Remington 700 SPS is a fine tack driver right out of the box unless the trigger scares you off. I have way to many 700s never had it go off and never bothered with the recall years back.

Tikka T3X lite, Browning X Bolt, Ruger M77 and Bergara HMR Pro all deserve good looks.

In a budget solid rifle Savage 110 is accurate decent bolt action. The axis II XP might be worth a look too.

[Delaney37]

Some of the 308s that I've kinda looked in to doing my research for a new 308/7.62 including Ruger's and Savage's precision rifles. Savage also makes a Scout version much like Ruger. 110 Scout model.

https://www.howausa.com/rifles/apc_rifle/

https://ruger.com/products/sfar/models.html

https://www.rockriverarms.com/index....tegory_ID=2290

https://www.rockriverarms.com/index....tegory_ID=2212

https://www.luth-ar.com/product/308-...ssembly-m-lok/

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I have too many .45s. Couple polymers, like my M&P45 (also have it in .40), and 5 1911s. I think. Frazod is, of course, right; the .40s are generally snappy. It makes it harder to be consistently accurate. If you spend the time/$$$, you can be just as accurate an nearly as quick as you are with say your 9s. But it's an investment.

.45s recoil-wise aren't that different from 9s. And accuracy-wise, at the distances 99.99999% of people shoot at, there won't be any real difference either. And there's just nothing quite like sending big, fat hunks of lead downrange. Especially if it's out of a 1911.

I have a .40; it's an old Gen 3 Glock 22 (police trade in) that I bought years ago. Because it's a full-sized gun, the snappiness isn't that much of an issue. It's a good, reliable gun that I do trust to go bang. But it is specifically a home defender and not a "fun gun." I rarely shoot it. And while I won't say that I regret buying it, had I known the things back then that I do now, I wouldn't have.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I have a .40; it's an old Gen 3 Glock 22 (police trade in) that I bought years ago. Because it's a full-sized gun, the snappiness isn't that much of an issue. It's a good, reliable gun that I do trust to go bang. But it is specifically a home defender and not a "fun gun." I rarely shoot it. And while I won't say that I regret buying it, had I known the things back then that I do now, I wouldn't have.

Yeah, for the most part, I wouldn't say I was a fan of the .40. I like my M&P40C 2.0, because somehow it's not very snappy. Maybe it's the lower barrel, or the double springs, idk. It's barely more recoil than my M&P9.

The only .40 I own that I really like is my SIG P229 chambered in .40 and SIG357. That one I will take to the range or the desert for fun. All the other .40s I ever bought I've sold off now.

Though I did have the original S&W 4006; wish I still had that one. Not so much to shoot, but just to have in the collection.