Tamba Hali

[DeezNutz]

Has anyone seen him? His friends and family are worried.

What happened to our impact LB? The sack machine? The difference maker?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's amazing to me that guys like you (meaning underhanded, douchebag assholes) can insult me at will, yet ignore the insight that I sometimes offer in this forum.

For that, you should cover your eyes and stay in the dark.

Enjoy your meaningless existence.

Yea that little pillowbiter likes to sneak onto peoples facebook accounts and stalk.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What evidence do we have of this?

I'm not saying it isn't true, but the only evidence I have seen makes it more questionable than not.

Andy Studebaker (who is the only person who's opinion really matters) raves about Vrabel.

When (Studebaker) has questions, he knows where to turn. Vrabel, 34, played in four Super Bowls with New England, winning three. He has been a valuable resource for Studebaker, sharing with him "the ins and outs of outside linebacker."

"He has taught me a ton," Studebaker said. "He's the kind of guy who's an open door. He wants to teach you and help you. Before I met Mike I was like, 'Will he help me? Will I be on my own?' From day one, he's been a big-time mentor for me."

That was in Studebaker's hometown paper before the regular season started. So that's just after training camp, and he's already calling Vrabel his mentor.

This is from the same paper near the end of the season, in a story about Studebaker starting in Vrabel's absense.

If any confusion arose, Vrabel was quick to help. He was at every practice and on the sideline during games, going beyond what some veterans do while injured.

Studebacker said Vrabel eagerly “coached me up.”

Then there's the obvious stuff from the local media.

I'm sure this was posted here at the time, but it's conveniently forgotten every time the exact same people pop up to tell us -- usually in reference to Vrabel -- how "leadership" means nothing, vets don't help young players who are going to take their jobs, and any of the other bullshit that's easily disprovable no matter which team in the league you follow.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I've always wondered about these things. It always seems like it's guys who are over the hill but producing at high levels who sit out these sessions. If they attend, are they then subject to the NFL's random drug testing policies at that time?

I've always wondered if these guys don't attend just so they can get their juice on for a few months longer.

NFL players are subject to testing year-round. Missing OTAs doesn't get them off the hook.

I remember an article a few years back with funny stories from guys like Deion Sanders about how they'd get a phone call out of the blue during the offseason, and then they'd have to go meet the tech at a place like McDonalds so they could pee in a cup.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What the ****?

Where did I EVER state that he was anything other than a solid player that would play hard each and every down?

Your story is changing.

Actually you stated that Hali was "just a guy". To me, that's not a solid player because as I noted, DeMorrio Williams is "just a guy". He doesn't do ANYTHING. He does his job but nothing above that. I think there is a clear difference between a guy like Hali and Williams.

So, you equate stating a fact as bitching and moaning? What the **** is wrong with you?

Furthermore, Vrabel wastes a roster spot and likely will play before a younger player. Studebaker may never be a Pro Bowler either, but each and every time he's been the starter, he's been a playmaker.

Finally, re-signing Vrabel does nothing for the youth of this team, nor does it make it more talented.

I'm really beginning to question your views.

I'm saying Vrabel didn't get paid much, so it's not like based on salary he's locked in as a starter. Studebaker very well may beat him out.

As far as OTA's and that sort of thing, that was last year after he got traded. But the fact is, once he showed up he was in fact a great coach on the field. I also wonder if he'll show up for the OTA's and such this year since he said he wants to be a part of this turnaround. We'll see.

[BossChief]

I think these are solid takes that are turning up roses. There is A LOT of fail in this thread

Originally Posted by BossChief

Hali gets to the qb, too bad that guys like Vrabel, Edwards, Mike Brown and Jon McGraw let him get away and complete the pass anyway.

Give us upgrades to those guys and Hali is perceived as one of the leagues better pass rushers.

JMO, but I think its spot on.

Originally Posted by BossChief

If Hali beat his man with a speed rush, the qb could step up in the pocket every time to escape. If Hali used his above average balance to beat his man to inside leverage, the QB rolled to Vrabels side to escape every time. From there, all he had to do was throw away from Flowers and he was out of trouble and onto a career day.

Is Hali slow? YES

Are his combine times in the quickness/balance drills on par with about any good pass rusher in the NFL? YES, eerily similar to the elite ones to be more accurate.

Does Hali have short arms that cause missed opertunities? ABSOLUTELY

Do I think the defenses lacking talent is more to do with his just above average production than his physical limitations? ABSO****INGLUTELY

JMO

Originally Posted by BossChief

I think its funny that some people can claim that he has reached his peak when he has always played on defenses that have no push up the middle and only a short time period with a good pass rusher across from him (and FTR he had more sacks than Jared his first year)

I dont know how many times Hali has missed a sack and flushed a qb out of the pocket only to see the qb throw for a big gainer because of lacking talent on this defense.

FACT he has been a top five at his position player at pressures on the quarterback about every year he has played in the NFL and IMHO if we get a solid push up the middle and a pass rush presence other than him on this team, qbs wont be able to escape as much and it will start to make passers throw rushed and a lot of those pressures will turn to sacks (for him or the other defenders)

I think Hali could consistently get 12+ sacks if the other factors are lined up.

[Quesadilla Joe]

That said, I expect KC to franchise Hali if that survives the CBA. Sides aren't remotely close on a new contract.

https://twitter.com/kentbabb/status/21774054381854720

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Damn, I don't think they have enough clown shoes for this thread.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I remember when that guy last year wanted to bet me that he'd get 10 sacks last year...he's not going to get that in 2 seasons combined.

[michaelj_58]

you leave tamba alone,this a team game and our o-line and d-line got shoved around all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Originally Posted by michaelj_58

you leave tamba alone,this a team game and our o-line and d-line got shoved around all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

Check the dates of this thread.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by michaelj_58

you leave tamba alone,this a team game and our o-line and d-line got shoved around all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Bumping for Bump to review....