RIP Pete Rose

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

The hit king is dead at 83.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Always been on f****** drugs. That means Mickey Mantle on f****** drugs. Babe Ruth on f****** drugs. All of them cheated and if all of them cheated then none of them cheated.

If you have proof that anyone was using PEDs that were banned by MLB, then yes they should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame. Who gives a shit if "everyone" was doing it. Was it against the rules? Then **** off.

I don't understand what is so hard about holding people accountable.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

If you have proof that anyone was using PEDs that were banned by MLB, then yes they should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame. Who gives a shit if "everyone" was doing it. Was it against the rules? Then **** off.

I don't understand what is so hard about holding people accountable.

I don't understand why anyone would think that alcohol use should count as PED use. Alcohol degrades the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. That does not help a player to perform better. It makes a player perform worse.

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe the solution is this simple. Let the mlb finish the thorough independent investigation that Pete rose requested to stop. Let the public know all the information. Everything from his gambling to the statutory rape accusations. If the rose family will allow that, then you use that information to decide if he belongs in the HOF.

[Mecca]

Pete Rose never helped himself because he was a huge dickbag, never tried to rehabilitate his image, none of that.

And lately baseball had called his ban a permanent ban.

[Ocotillo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Maybe the solution is this simple. Let the mlb finish the thorough independent investigation that Pete rose requested to stop. Let the public know all the information. Everything from his gambling to the statutory rape accusations. If the rose family will allow that, then you use that information to decide if he belongs in the HOF.

Even though Rose is on Major League Baseball's ineligible list, it was the National Baseball Hall of Fame that adopted rules to keep Rose out.

Feb. 8, 1991: Persons on baseball’s ineligible list cannot be eligible candidates.

Up until 1991, there was a gentleman's agreement where it was known that Black Sox players like Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte, Buck Weaver wouldn't be considered for the Hall. But after Rose's ban in 1989, the HOF went out of its way to make sure he wouldn't reach the ballot.

Hall of Fame President Josh Rawitch is the one here that has the power to get Rose's case considered. There's no benefit for MLB to reexamine Rose's case.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Even though Rose is on Major League Baseball's ineligible list, it was the National Baseball Hall of Fame that adopted rules to keep Rose out.

Feb. 8, 1991: Persons on baseball’s ineligible list cannot be eligible candidates.

Up until 1991, there was a gentleman's agreement where it was known that Black Sox players like Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte, Buck Weaver wouldn't be considered for the Hall. But after Rose's ban in 1989, the HOF went out of its way to make sure he wouldn't reach the ballot.

Hall of Fame President Josh Rawtich is the one here that has the power to get Rose's case considered. There's no benefit for MLB to reexamine Rose's case.

it is also of no benefit for the Rose family. If Pete actively tried to stop the investigation then I doubt he or his family would want that. And the HOF should not consider rose for the HOF without completing that investigation. At this point the family’s best interest is to protect his legacy as a snubbed hero versus a shrine that tells the full story.

My point isn’t to say this is practical. But for those demanding he be in the hall, the comeback should be that it is contingent on completing an investigation neither party wants to complete.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Pete Rose never helped himself because he was a huge dickbag, never tried to rehabilitate his image, none of that.

And lately baseball had called his ban a permanent ban.

Lately? It's been that from the start. The agreement he signed was to be made "permanently ineligible." He's been on the same list as the Black Sox from the beginning.

In 2015, Manfred declined a request to remove Shoeless Joe from the list. Essentially he said that the ineligible list bans players from being affiliated with MLB during their life time, so when they die there is no need to review the case against them. Rose is never being removed from that list. And since the HoF voted that anyone on the list will be subsequently banned from the HoF, he's also never getting into the HoF.

[Red Dawg]

Baseball can suck a booty hole with their ridiculous lifetime ban shit over a game that they allowed to let roids run wild and free and did nothing. They knew it was happening. Players don't even lose money when suspended over it, just sign huge, guaranteed contracts.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Baseball lost any respect they had left when they banned him, Bonds, and Clemens from the Hall. Hypocritical pieces of shit.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Always been on f****** drugs. That means Mickey Mantle on f****** drugs. Babe Ruth on f****** drugs. All of them cheated and if all of them cheated then none of them cheated.

Boom!

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Baseball lost any respect they had left when they banned him, Bonds, and Clemens from the Hall. Hypocritical pieces of shit.

Bonds and Clemens have never been banned.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Bonds and Clemens have never been banned.

They also don’t have any incomplete investigations. Not to mention formally agreed to a ban since rose, not Major League Baseball, chose the ban.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Bonds and Clemens have never been banned.

Correct. The reason those 2 are not in the HOF is that there are not enough voters that believe they are deserving.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Bonds and Clemens have never been banned.

You know what I meant...JFC

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

You know what I meant...JFC

Well, you say a lot of stupid shit, so when you connect Rose to Bonds and Clemens as if they are remotely similar situations, it's not easy to determine if you are just being stupid... again.

Players get 10 years on the ballot, provided they meet the minimum number of votes to return in following years. The people who decide who gets in during those 10 years are sports writers, not MLB. Bonds received 66% of votes in his final year, Clemens received 65%. 75% is required to make it into the HoF. Thus, neither one is in the HoF. However, there is still a chance that they will end up in the HoF by being voted in by the Veterans Committee.

Rose has never been on a ballot because he agreed to be banned from the sport for breaking the #1 rule that is written in every ****ing locker room.