Chiefs Dorsey gone? - Page 93

George Liquor · 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM

Per 610.

The ****?

Marcellus · 06-23-2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.

God you are a numbnuts.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-23-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

His deal is rather back-loaded

Not really. If the Chiefs cut Berry in 2020 (the fourth year of his new contract), they're hit with $8 million dollars in Dead Money and only $5.5 million in cap space. That's pretty freaking bad.

It's not until 2021 that Berry is somewhat affordable to release, with $12 million in Cap Savings and $4 million in Dead Money.

At that point, Eric Berry will be 32 years old.

RunKC · 06-23-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

God you are a numbnuts.

It's sad when people can't be completely objective about a situation bc they are homers of the highest order.

You will defend Clark no matter what. He can do no wrong, ever.

Marcellus · 06-23-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It's sad when people can't be completely objective about a situation bc they are homers of the highest order.

You will defend Clark no matter what. He can do no wrong, ever.

That comment isn't to defend anyone, its the fact you dont realize that isn't news of any sort.

TEX · 06-23-2017, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayhasAutism

The bigger issue is the Autistics that thought Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were "Future HOFers" are trying to once again play armchair GM.

threebag · 06-23-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayhasAutism

The bigger issue is the Autistics that thought Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were "Future HOFers" are trying to once again play armchair GM.

Don't forget Murray was a pro bowler in wait...

**Meatloaf** · 06-23-2017, 08:00 PM

Not sure I buy the argument of cap situation being the cause of Dorsey's demise. After all, they WERE working on a long term deal. Why would you be doing that if the cap issue warranted Dorsey's removal. Nope, the more I read/hear, the more I think the contract negotiations themselves generated the tipping point on this thing. Heck, Clark seemed good enough with Dorsey's performance to entertain an extension, so performance alone wasn't the issue. Sounds to me like the parties involved simply could not agree on the provisions of the contract. Too bad really as despite Clark, although apparently not wild about Dorsey, obviously wanted him as GM.....He just didn't want him at any cost.

Two very strong personalities butting heads happens all the time. Sometimes things are worked out. Sometimes not. This was a not.

It's all really too bad IMO as the combo or Reid and Dorsey seemed to be doing really good work. Until proven otherwise (by improved performance by Reid and GM-to-be-named), I view this as a loss for the organization. I wonder if Clark let emotions get the better of him....he and Dorsey were not seeing eye to eye on some issue(s), Clark made what he felt was a fair offer and Dorsey balked at it. Guys like Clark typically are not astute or experienced negotiators (owners can ALWAYS get their way by simply using the power of ownership), so Clark simply decided to end the negotiation and fire Dorsey.

Lord have mercy, after all of the wool Pioli pulled over Clark's eyes, he certainly didn't seem to give Dorsey much rope....especially considering how successful the team has been under the Reid/Dorsey combo. Afterall, the fact that Clark offered an extension tells me that in a calmer time, Clark felt it best to have Dorsey working for the Chiefs.

Something in the negotiation process changed Clark's mind. Money? GB opt out? Dorsey wanting more power? If none of these, then why in the world did Clark change his mind during the negotiation process? It had to be some contract provision that they could not agree on.

Stubbornness seldom yields best results....and to date, it appears both parties were exercising stubbornness as a virtue. I hate it when this happens.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-23-2017, 08:00 PM

At least the Chiefs didn't fire Dorsey then hire a guy that used a fired scout from the Patriots to conduct all the evaluations for the draft, so there's that.

ndws · 06-23-2017, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.

I agree, contracts didn't look so good. I figured thats why McCrackin got the axe.

As for the roster, its as complete a roster as this team has had in a very long time. I was genuinely excited to see the roster churn. Seeing guys like Charles leave wasn't fun, but logically I was better with it than hanging on to him too long. Same with Poe, who was easily my favorite player on the team.

I personally thought his approach to FA was better than most. He didn't get caught up in the 1st day of the frenzy, and he didn't overspend for another man's trash (I don't consider the Logan deal as a bad deal at all). Maybe he overpaid a couple guys to keep them, but thats not the biggest sin of a GM.

I'll continue to be a Chiefs fan, but I certainly don't have the same excitement as I did earlier this week.

It is what it is. I liked him. I thought he was good for the team and for the community. I think in the long run, he'll be better off being elsewhere. I just hope this team will be able to keep some of the same philosophies with whoever is new.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-23-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ndws

I agree, contracts didn't look so good. I figured thats why McCrackin got the axe.

As for the roster, its as complete a roster as this team has had in a very long time. I was genuinely excited to see the roster churn. Seeing guys like Charles leave wasn't fun, but logically I was better with it than hanging on to him too long. Same with Poe, who was easily my favorite player on the team.

I personally thought his approach to FA was better than most. He didn't get caught up in the 1st day of the frenzy, and he didn't overspend for another man's trash (I don't consider the Logan deal as a bad deal at all). Maybe he overpaid a couple guys to keep them, but thats not the biggest sin of a GM.

I'll continue to be a Chiefs fan, but I certainly don't have the same excitement as I did earlier this week.

It is what it is. I liked him. I thought he was good for the team and for the community. I think in the long run, he'll be better off being elsewhere. I just hope this team will be able to keep some of the same philosophies with whoever is new.

That's pretty much all you can hope for; keep the elements that were working and ditch the ones that weren't.

thegame214 · 06-23-2017, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayhasAutism

The bigger issue is the Autistics that thought Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were "Future HOFers" are trying to once again play armchair GM.

The fact you made an entire account in his name, even if you are just trolling, really shows the effect he has on you guys haha I've loomed for a while and always appreciated his videos/ability to get under some of your skin. You love the drama of his disagreements it's like watching little boys telling girls they're ugly because they secretly like them lol

**mdchiefsfan** · 06-23-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thegame214

The fact you made an entire account in his name, even if you are just trolling, really shows the effect he has on you guys haha I've loomed for a while and always appreciated his videos/ability to get under some of your skin. You love the drama of his disagreements it's like watching little boys telling girls they're ugly because they secretly like them lol

Ah, the old counter troll mult option. Been awhile since I've seen this one.

thegame214 · 06-23-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Ah, the old counter troll mult option. Been awhile since I've seen this one.

Yep it's me Clay and I made a mult just because someone made an entire account about my name and having autism *sarcasm*. This place is entertaining as hell to say the least 😂

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-23-2017, 08:43 PM

Die hard Chiefs fan should probably be caring more about the collapse of the scouting department than Clay and Geno.

One would think.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-23-2017, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Die hard Chiefs fan should probably be caring more about the collapse of the scouting department than Clay and Geno.

One would think.

What "collapse"?

You're a butt****ing moron that's been banned more times than I can count while renouncing your
Chiefs fandom.

Does your life suck so ****ing bad that you need to post continually on Chiefsplanet, even though you offer little to no value?

Get out of your apartment. Find some friends.

Live your life.

06-22-2017, 02:12 PM
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06-23-2017, 08:00 PM	#1387
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $2090359	Not sure I buy the argument of cap situation being the cause of Dorsey's demise. After all, they WERE working on a long term deal. Why would you be doing that if the cap issue warranted Dorsey's removal. Nope, the more I read/hear, the more I think the contract negotiations themselves generated the tipping point on this thing. Heck, Clark seemed good enough with Dorsey's performance to entertain an extension, so performance alone wasn't the issue. Sounds to me like the parties involved simply could not agree on the provisions of the contract. Too bad really as despite Clark, although apparently not wild about Dorsey, obviously wanted him as GM.....He just didn't want him at any cost. Two very strong personalities butting heads happens all the time. Sometimes things are worked out. Sometimes not. This was a not. It's all really too bad IMO as the combo or Reid and Dorsey seemed to be doing really good work. Until proven otherwise (by improved performance by Reid and GM-to-be-named), I view this as a loss for the organization. I wonder if Clark let emotions get the better of him....he and Dorsey were not seeing eye to eye on some issue(s), Clark made what he felt was a fair offer and Dorsey balked at it. Guys like Clark typically are not astute or experienced negotiators (owners can ALWAYS get their way by simply using the power of ownership), so Clark simply decided to end the negotiation and fire Dorsey. Lord have mercy, after all of the wool Pioli pulled over Clark's eyes, he certainly didn't seem to give Dorsey much rope....especially considering how successful the team has been under the Reid/Dorsey combo. Afterall, the fact that Clark offered an extension tells me that in a calmer time, Clark felt it best to have Dorsey working for the Chiefs. Something in the negotiation process changed Clark's mind. Money? GB opt out? Dorsey wanting more power? If none of these, then why in the world did Clark change his mind during the negotiation process? It had to be some contract provision that they could not agree on. Stubbornness seldom yields best results....and to date, it appears both parties were exercising stubbornness as a virtue. I hate it when this happens.
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