Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 9

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

#5 overall
#3 overall
#11 overall

with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We are both biased in different ways.

The unbiased opinion (PFF) had Tyson as the better player last year.

their careers are not equal...to the eye, or the stats

Jackson was a complete worthless pussy his first two years in the league...not bad, worthless...

i'm not even going to bother with stats to refute this nonsense from blackbob:

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Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson as far as his whole body of work.

Molitoth · 09-10-2012, 01:14 PM

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Crennel seems to have 2 ways of calling a defense ... bend/don't break and super bend/don't break.

Yesterday we saw bend over and take it right up the ass.
That's 3 ways.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-10-2012, 01:16 PM

Devil's 3 way.

BoneKrusher · 09-10-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Yesterday we saw bend over and take it right up the ass.
That's 3 ways.

good one.

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 01:21 PM

Perhaps, but saying that draft class was bad is not accurate. GB has 3 starters from that class that I know of. The Chiefs had more picks, and higher picks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Perhaps, but saying that draft class was bad is not accurate. GB has 3 starters from that class that I know of. The Chiefs had more picks, and higher picks.

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

There were plenty of first rounders that would have had a bigger, more immediate and long term impact than Tyson Jackson.

And if the draft was bad, why didn't Cannoli trade back to pick up, well, anything? Future draft choices? Later 2009 choices? Anything?

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

There were plenty of first rounders that would have had a bigger, more immediate and long term impact than Tyson Jackson.

And if the draft was bad, why didn't Cannoli trade back to pick up, well, anything? Future draft choices? Later 2009 choices? Anything?

Check my sig for some more Blackbob reeruned thoughts.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Perhaps, but saying that draft class was bad is not accurate. GB has 3 starters from that class that I know of. The Chiefs had more picks, and higher picks.

No, we traded our second for Cassel which was smart because it was a bad class. Green bay had two firsts. The one they took mathews with was one of the few trades in the first round. If I remember right, there were fewer trades in the first round of that draft than any other in history.

The only guys from that class that are still on the packers are Mathews, Raji, and Lang.

The only guys left on the Chiefs roster are O'connell, Jackson, and Succop. However, we traded McGee to Tampa and it was good we got something for him.

You can argue that Pioli failed because he didn't move back into the first but that's about it. Like I said, there weren't many trades and Green Bay got lucky. They gave a second and two thirds to the Pats to get him. It was the year the Pats had all of those 2nd and 3rds and they bombed. A second for Cassel and Vrabel was a good deal imo. Even if Cassel is just a back up it's a good deal. Vrabel really helped Hali learn what he was doing.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

There were plenty of first rounders that would have had a bigger, more immediate and long term impact than Tyson Jackson.

And if the draft was bad, why didn't Cannoli trade back to pick up, well, anything? Future draft choices? Later 2009 choices? Anything?

No one wanted to trade because the draft class was shit.

Also, not only did Jenkins leaving hurt Raji but, it also hurt Mathews. Both are good players but how good?

They sure got run over last night.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

No, we traded our second for Cassel which was smart because it was a bad class. Green bay had two firsts. The one they took mathews with was one of the few trades in the first round. If I remember right, there were fewer trades in the first round of that draft than any other in history.

The only guys from that class that are still on the packers are Mathews, Raji, and Lang.

The only guys left on the Chiefs roster are O'connell, Jackson, and Succop. However, we traded McGee to Tampa and it was good we got something for him.

You can argue that Pioli failed because he didn't move back into the first but that's about it. Like I said, there weren't many trades and Green Bay got lucky. They gave a second and two thirds to the Pats to get him. It was the year the Pats had all of those 2nd and 3rds and they bombed. A second for Cassel and Vrabel was a good deal imo. Even if Cassel is just a back up it's a good deal. Vrabel really helped Hali learn what he was doing.

AIDS gunfire

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

There were plenty of first rounders that would have had a bigger, more immediate and long term impact than Tyson Jackson.

And if the draft was bad, why didn't Cannoli trade back to pick up, well, anything? Future draft choices? Later 2009 choices? Anything?

Yep,
That is one BB card he hasn't played yet, and it sure would have been nice.

drum roll please, waiting for the excuses that Pioli didn't have time to prepare for that draft.

I hear it, it's coming.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Vrabel really helped Hali learn what he was doing.

****ing excuse me?

No he didn't.

Hoover · 09-10-2012, 01:41 PM

People just look for stats like tackles and sacks from D-Linemen. That's not their job.

I would have liked to see this game played with Hali, Flowers, and Lewis.

That is all.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

****ing excuse me?

No he didn't.

This guy HAS to be a mult or troll.

No one is this ****ing stupid.

Fish · 09-10-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

****ing excuse me?

No he didn't.

There were reports that Vrabel was about the most unfriendly guy in the locker room, and was never any kind of team player..

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-259436	Perhaps, but saying that draft class was bad is not accurate. GB has 3 starters from that class that I know of. The Chiefs had more picks, and higher picks.
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09-10-2012, 01:41 PM	#133
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1921821	People just look for stats like tackles and sacks from D-Linemen. That's not their job. I would have liked to see this game played with Hali, Flowers, and Lewis. That is all.
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