Jameis Winston

[O.city]

Screw it, seasons over, it's draft season.

This is our guy, he's gonna fall for off field stuff (don't care anyway, it's overblown). He fulfills both sides of cp. He's a winner, and he's a bad ass who's "clutch" (I hate that ****ing cliche so bad, but oh well).

Jameis Winston and Andy Reid in KC. Book it.

http://nflphilosophy.com/marcus-mari...ameis-winston/
Thoughts?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Yes. Welcome to the VIP.

sorry, that boat always sinks.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Winston has all the hallmarks of being a bad makeup player. Shoplifting,

One incident.

missing meetings,

Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.

stupid behavior that isn't serious but shows he doesn't think before speaking or acting,

taking liberties with women...

Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?

he thinks rules don't apply to him.

Such as?

He's been coddled at FSU and behavior that would have gotten players suspended or booted from other teams has been excused.

False. He was suspended for the crab legs and did community service for time.

He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media. Maturity issue for someone who has media attention on him? Sure.

He has never been held to account for his actions and has always got the star treatment.

People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.

"Always"getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan. Thye had Hernandez who had his record concealed regarding a gun incident where someone was shot, because he was still a youth. Now he's in legal trouble for double murder.

People like this get to the NFL level and fail because they have never had to work for it before.

Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt. True about many others and not true for many others as well.

Teams don't care that he wasn't charged with the rape, or that FSU investigated itself and the same people who made the decision found that they agreed with the decision.

More non facts and innuendo. FSU hired an independent judge for the hearing on Winston.

He has a longstanding pattern of immature and irresponsible behavior so there is probably plenty to uncover.

How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.

I can see thinking he's immature and even irresponsible. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it. So he possesses some leadership qualities at least.

Someone will fall in love with his athleticism and make the same mistake teams always make on guys like this, they think they can step in and raise him. But a lot of teams won't even consider someone like this, especially at the QB position which already has the highest failure rate and is the most difficult to transition to.

Yet, some will. Afterall, 20% of those in the NFL have been ghetto thugs. But it gives them a chance to get out of that. I don't know if that is the background of Jameis as he grew up outside Birmingham Alabama. Doesn't seem like it.

In the meantime, Jameis said the rape charge hurt his reputation. His legal team is also considering further legal action.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I didn't make ANYTHING up.

I simply said that I would pass.

He's not worth the risk.

This is what I actually said:

Facts still do not support the poster who just accused him of multiple thefts on businesses in Tally

You responded to my response on that poster.

I have no issue with you thinking Jameis is not worth the risk. You extrapolated that on your own.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

One incident.


Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.





Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?



Such as?



False. He was suspended for the crab legs and did community service for time.

He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media.



People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.

Always getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan.



Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt.





More non facts and innuendo. FSU hired an independent judge for the hearing on Winston.



How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.

I can he's immature. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it.


Yet, some will. Afterall, 20% of those in the NFL have been ghetto thugs. But it gives them a chance to get out of that. I don't know if that is the background of Jameis as he grew up outside Birmingham Alabama.

In the meantime, Jameis said the rape charge hurt his reputation. His legal team is also considering further legal action.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.

^because of ALL of this, if I'm an NFL GM, I pass on Winston.

I want nothing to do with any of this.

Whatever you feel, is how YOU feel.

I feel no connection nor obligation to Winston. I call him that because I can't spell his first name...because I don't give a shit. He's the rapist/thief/student union meme guy who makes bad decision after bad decision, and I don't want him on my team.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

This.

Sorry to burst the bubble of anyone with a man-crush on the cocoa penii of Winston...but that's the troof.

Good thing I'm not a guy. Pheeeew, I am cleared.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

^because of ALL of this, if I'm an NFL GM, I pass on Winston.

I want nothing to do with any of this.

Whatever you feel, is how YOU feel.

I feel no connection nor obligation to Winston. I call him that because I can't spell his first name...because I don't give a shit. He's the rapist/thief/student union meme guy who makes bad decision after bad decision, and I don't want him on my team.

I wasn't addressing you or your desire to want nothing to do with any of that. I got that. I haven't criticized THAT. That post was written to correct some of the falsehoods and exaggerations being made by Cochise if'n ya' noticed. Can you read?

Apparently, you are having quite a bit to do with this based on your continuing to challenge other points I am am correcting. Again, I am addressing someone's alleged claims and exaggerations including this idea that recent FSU hearing was merely protecting themselves when they hired an outside independent judge.

That's all I am doing here demanding facts.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

He was cleared on the rape charge. Or haven't you heard? Have you actually read the record on that hearing?

I'm completely on your side on this one but...it feels...dirty.

[Eleazar]

You'd have to compare him to Cam Newton, except Newton was a tier higher as a football player. Newton was run out of UF in disgrace after he got caught stealing someone else's laptop (and there were other stories told about him that never became media stories, just like with Winston). He managed to wiggle out of the pay-for-play controversy not because no money was solicited but only because the NCAA couldn't prove he knew it had happened.

The questions surrounding him were always about whether he was going to work hard and what kind of leader he could be, and if he would be out of trouble off the field. Obviously he just flipped his truck acting like a dumbass a couple of weeks ago and could have gotten himself killed, and his leadership has always been in question. With Newton though, his football character is fine. He has a passion for football and puts in the work because he wants to be regarded as greater than everyone else, so in that sense his ego and his pride work in his favor.

You don't get that idea about Winston. He comes off like a garden variety dumbass who is extremely entitled and knows nothing about professionalism, a child who you'll have to babysit and hope they stay out of trouble, to say nothing of putting in the work to learn the QB position in the NFL.

[Dante84]

Hey, Buc, your homer is showing.

Want to listen to the 911 tape of a Burger King employee complaining that Jameis is stealing soda?

Or the video of him stealing crab legs from Publix?

So, I'm a sociopath for 'making up' stories about him? And because you sat in a chamber meeting and talked football with people, you know better? How bout you just... read the news?

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm completely on your side on this one but...it feels...dirty.

Don't you think the media, particularly ESPN who is in the pocket of the SEC had something to do with that perception?

Anyhow, the girl still has the civil courts and probably will use it. I really doubt she gets a conviction. More shows it was consensual sex than anything.

All I can say, when I first read about the rape last year I was disappointed and thought it looked bad. Everyone here in this house, even my daughter's father, were down on Winston then. Now, that I know more, I think he has issues, but not to the degree of raping another young woman. People tend to link doing something bad elsewhere as being culpable in another area and that's just not true.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Don't you think the media, particularly ESPN who is in the pocket of the SEC had something to do with that perception?

Oh, you misunderstood me.

I'm all on Winston's side.

I feel dirty about siding with you...

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by DA_T_84

Hey, Buc, your homer is showing.

Want to listen to the 911 tape of a Burger King employee complaining that Jameis is stealing soda?

Or the video of him stealing crab legs from Publix?

So, I'm a sociopath for 'making up' stories about him? And because you sat in a chamber meeting and talked football with people, you know better? How bout you just... read the news?

If you read my earlier posts you wouldn't be calling me a homer. I even posted about him cheating on exams. I have changed my mind on Winston from negative to less negative is all. If I were a homer, I wouldn't be saying I think Alabama wins it all as the Noles are not the same team as last year and haven't played as well. Perhaps you need to do some research on what I've written here.

I've already seen the crab legs video. Where did I say he was innocent of that? Nowhere. Can you actually read and follow along? Apparently not.
He was suspended and had to do community service for punishment.

I just found the Burger King thing on wiki. That makes two as opposed to using a non-specific such as multiple incidents of theft implying it's happened a lot more and to a lot of other businesses that have complained.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

One incident.
Wrong.

Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.
I provided links

Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?
Yep, inside the national news

Such as?
Links provided earlier


He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media. Maturity issue for someone who has media attention on him? Sure.
He's a goddamned Heisman QB vying for a 2nd national championship. He's not a 'normal college student.' They were right to suspend him, and only did so because it was yet another misstep in a series of missteps. It wasn't a stand-alone incident.

People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.
Facts is facts.

"Always"getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan. Thye had Hernandez who had his record concealed regarding a gun incident where someone was shot, because he was still a youth. Now he's in legal trouble for double murder.
NY Times: At Florida State, Football Clouds Justice.

Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt. True about many others and not true for many others as well.
Not everything said is true. That said, many things are true.

How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.
There's enough evidence in his short time in Talahassee.

I can see thinking he's immature and even irresponsible. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it. So he possesses some leadership qualities at least.
Hitler was a good leader. So was Manson. Being a good leader can be a very bad thing, sometimes.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.
Facts provided.

.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Oh, you misunderstood me.

I'm all on Winston's side.

I feel dirty about siding with you...

Oh, how unfortunate for you. Feeling is mutual.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I just found the Burger King thing on wiki. That makes two as opposed to using a non-specific such as multiple incidents of theft implying it's happened a lot more and to a lot of other businesses that have complained.

Moving the goalposts.

You asked for multiple. I gave you multiple.

Now 2 isnt multiple.