***Official 2023-2024 NBA Thread***

[dirk digler]

Can't believe the NBA Season is starting tonight. Way to early but here we go.

Lakers vs Nuggets: 6:30PM

Suns vs Warriors: 9PM

Both on TNT

[Sassy Squatch]

Oof, you can tell the choked 3 to win has KCC down BAD

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Oof, you can tell the choked 3 to win has KCC down BAD

Very reminiscent of last year...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by staylor26

There is when the overwhelming consensus is that he's #2 and you just can't accept that reality

I don't even care about the GOAT debate it is worn out and mostly subjective anyway. But at least don't make up fake championships to make your favorite player look better jfc.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't even care about the GOAT debate it is worn out and mostly subjective anyway. But at least don't make up fake championships to make your favorite player look better jfc.

Especially when you try to claim that championships are a team accomplishment and therefor irrelevant...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Especially when you try to claim that championships are a team accomplishment and therefor irrelevant...

or to say because a certain player joined a good team those championships don't count but ignore favorite player doing the same thing 5-6 years earlier.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

or to say because a certain player joined a good team those championships don't count but ignore favorite player doing the same thing 5-6 years earlier.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

or to say because a certain player joined a good team those championships don't count but ignore favorite player doing the same thing 5-6 years earlier.

Knock out blow...delivered by multiple of us in this thread

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Is Sandy Koufax the greatest pitcher of all time?

Is Emmitt Smith the greatest RB of all time?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Is Emmitt Smith the greatest RB of all time?

Where's a judge when you need them to instruct to witness to answer the question?

[KC_Connection]

In any case, Koufax is not considered the greatest pitcher of all time precisely because he had a short career. He might be considered the "best" pitcher of all time because of his incredible peak but that's an entirely separate discussion.

The same applies to MJ at this point given LeBron's ridiculous longevity at the top of the game. Call him the best player ever if you wish (I'll still quibble with you on that), but he has no real argument for GOAT status any longer and hasn't for a long time now.

[KC_Connection]

On a similar note, Mahomes is absolutely the best player ever at his position in NFL. His peak now is unparalled. But is he the GOAT? Most would say that he needs to play a little bit longer and accomplish a little bit more (or in the case of Brady backers, a lot more) for that mantle.

Because yes, longevity matters.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Where's a judge when you need them to instruct to witness to answer the question?

I want to remind you that in 1989 there were people making 'greatest player of All Time' lists and including Michael Jordan as the starting 2 guard.

Before he'd won a thing of note. Before he'd even begun to sniff his 'Koufax Run'. That's how broad the disparity between Jordan and Koufax is here.

I'd simply motion to strike your question as irrelevant. 25 year old Jordan had people discussing him among the all time greats. 25 yr old Sandy Koufax just had his first All-Star season before walking away from the game for good at 30.

Michael Jordan was already seen as an all-timer at 25, stepped away from the game at 30, then came back and won 2 MVPs in 3 years in the midst of leading a 3-peat including probably the greatest team of all time.

No, Sandy Koufax wasn't the greatest pitcher of all time. He also isn't in the same stratosphere as Michael Jordan. And if you're the one that's going to attempt to argue peak (which you appear to have backed quickly away from), I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make here.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

In any case, Koufax is not considered the greatest pitcher of all time precisely because he had a short career. He might be considered the "best" pitcher of all time because of his incredible peak but that's an entirely separate discussion.

The same applies to MJ at this point given LeBron's ridiculous longevity at the top of the game. Call him the best player ever if you wish (I'll still quibble with you on that), but he has no real argument for GOAT status any longer and hasn't for a long time now.

MJ has Lebron in just about every award imaginable. It’s hard to make a case for Lebron’s peak being better when he has less scoring titles, MVPs etc…

Lebron is going to have to play the Brady game and lean on his longevity as the reason for him being the GOAT

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

or to say because a certain player joined a good team those championships don't count but ignore favorite player doing the same thing 5-6 years earlier.

LeBron had a 73 win team begging KD to join them just to defeat him. LeBron haters know that this makes LeBron the GOAT, which is why they pretend it never happened b/c if they were to ever acknowledge it, it would make all of their agendas 100% useless.

The extreme insults &…

— Barry (@BarryOnHere) April 21, 2024

For whatever reason I don't recall LeBron asking to join any 73 win teams at any point in his career.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by New World Order

MJ has Lebron in just about every award imaginable. It’s hard to make a case for Lebron’s peak being better when he has less scoring titles, MVPs etc…

Lebron is going to have to play the Brady game and lean on his longevity as the reason for him being the GOAT

LeBron statistically blows MJ out of the water at this point.

As for MVPs, see the discussion over the sketchy nature of those last week. Both MJ and LeBron should have won at least double the amount of MVPs that they actually won, so it's kind of a silly thing to bring up anyway.