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Old 12-30-2008, 09:05 PM  
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The Pioli Watch Thread
I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

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New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:02 PM   #1171
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I have to disagree with both of these statements. The Chiefs definitely need more talent but if they would have had a real coaching staff they would have won at least 2-3 more games.

This team lost 8 games by 7 points or less you are talking just a handful of plays and this team could have been 7-9, or 8-8 this year.
No team is going to win more than 2 games if they only sack the opposing QB less than a dozen times in a season.

The Chiefs are dreadfully low on playmaking talent.

No amount of coaching can make up for poor athleticism.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:05 PM   #1172
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Sorry, but the soft camp debate is overblown.

One, I've witnessed a week of a Herm Edwards camp, and a week of Dick Vermeil camp, and the only differences were in the TIME it took to get the same thing accomplished.

With DV, there was a lot of time between drills, guys aimlessly walking around, time being wasted.

Herm had shorter practices, but was up-tempo the entire time. Guys weren't standing around wondering what was going to happen next.

Two, Brian Billick's camps in Baltimore were jokingly known as Club Med. Last I checked, the Ravens were pretty damn good for the most part when he was there - especially in the month of December.

You don't beat your team up in August and expect them to still have gas in the tank in December/January.
I guess I should have mentioned Marty Camp. That's what I was thinking of.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:06 PM   #1173
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No team is going to win more than 2 games if they only sack the opposing QB less than a dozen times in a season.

The Chiefs are dreadfully low on playmaking talent.

No amount of coaching can make up for poor athleticism.

You're assuming that the problem IS athleticism and NOT coaching.

I'm not saying that Hali, Tyler, McBride, etc are going to be superstars by any means.

But considering that Herm Edwards and Tim Krumrie are the only NFL coaches they've ever known, let's just say I wouldn't be shocked if our DL looks WORLDS better next year with nothing more than different coaches.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:08 PM   #1174
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The Chiefs are dreadfully low on playmaking talent.

No amount of coaching can make up for poor athleticism.
And that lack of talent was brought to you by none other than Herm & Carl.

1 down.... 1 to go.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:08 PM   #1175
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No team is going to win more than 2 games if they only sack the opposing QB less than a dozen times in a season.

The Chiefs are dreadfully low on playmaking talent.

No amount of coaching can make up for poor athleticism.
I agree with this, but if we could get a stud pass rusher, I think Tamba may be able to get back to 8 sacks on the other side, and that would make HUGE difference in our D. If we could get 12 sacks from the RDE spot. It really changes the dynamic of this D, but that is a big if.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:08 PM   #1176
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No team is going to win more than 2 games if they only sack the opposing QB less than a dozen times in a season.

The Chiefs are dreadfully low on playmaking talent.

No amount of coaching can make up for poor athleticism.
30 mil in cap + Picking 3rd each round should change that in 1 season.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:09 PM   #1177
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You're assuming that the problem IS athleticism and NOT coaching.

I'm not saying that Hali, Tyler, McBride, etc are going to be superstars by any means.

But considering that Herm Edwards and Tim Krumrie are the only NFL coaches they've ever known, let's just say I wouldn't be shocked if our DL looks WORLDS better next year with nothing more than different coaches.
I just don't see those guys in the same class as DeMarcus Ware, Merriman, Tuck, Umenyora, etc.

They're solid players but not playmakers.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:10 PM   #1178
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30 mil in cap + Picking 3rd each round should change that in 1 season.
We'll see.

I'm not counting on the draft to provide a play-making DE.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:11 PM   #1179
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We'll see.

I'm not counting on the draft to provide a play-making DE.
Terell Suggs or Julius Peppers are playmakers.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:12 PM   #1180
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I just don't see those guys in the same class as DeMarcus Ware, Merriman, Tuck, Umenyora, etc.

They're solid players but not playmakers.
They don't all NEED to be pro bowl players, IMO.

But it's an even harder hill to climb when the coaching staff has no ****ing clue how to use you. Hali, Dorsey, McBride and Tyler have all been misused since the day they arrived in KC.
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We'll see.

I'm not counting on the draft to provide a play-making DE.
Maybe we could land Suggs. I wonder how he would do from a 4-3 DE spot.

Micheal Johnson may slide into the top of the 2nd as well. He could help.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:15 PM   #1182
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I fully disagree.

LT: Above Average - B
LG: Excellent - A
C: Below Average - D
RG: Fail - F
RT: Fail - F
TE: Excellent - A
WR1: Above Average - B
WR2: Average - C
WR3: Below Average - D
RB: Above Average - B
QB: Below Average - D

So on offense, the Chiefs are a flat D: 60%. 33 out of 55. I wouldn't call that talented.

Now the defense.

RDE: Average - C
DT: Average - C
DT: Average - C
LDE: Fail - F
OLB: Average - C
MLB: Fail - F
OLB: Below Average - D
CB: Good - A
CB: Above Average - B
FS: Average - C
SS: Average - C

31/55: 56%. F: FAIL.

This team needs an infusion of play-makers and at least average players on the offensive line to become competitive.

They're 58% as a starting unit with little or no depth.

They have a long way to go before they're considered a "talented" team.
i disagree and my example is this

our offense at the beginning of this year was astronomically bad. We made a talent change at one position. We change to a quarterback who is, by your own rating, a well below average quarterback. Yet our offense went from terrible to average virtually overnight.

how can that be if we put a "D grade" quarterback out there?

coaching ...... we put a system out there with a little of gimmick to it and we got huge returns.

talent stayed the same = results were fantastic

imagine what would happen if we improve at quarterback and right tackle with a quality system?

on defense, we get a viable RDE and a couple of decent linebackers and we will be competitive if we get some quality coaching.

do we need more talent .... absolutely .... but imo our coaching has been the weakest part of the team.


talent priorities for 2009 imo

offense
QB
RT

defense

RDE
OLB
SSLB
Safety (pick either FS/SS and get a freakin stud in there)


it's not easy, but if we can add 5/6 impact players then i think we are very competitive next year IF we get some decent coaching.
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The offense needs a new RB too. LJ won't be here, Charles isn't a every down back, Kolby Smith? Meh.
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Terell Suggs or Julius Peppers are playmakers.
Pepper is too old and will be on his third contract.

No thanks.
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Okay gang, as many of you know I still have friends at the highest

level in the Chiefs organization and have this info to share with full

confidence:
Scott Pioli is the new GM.
His announcement will come Thursday or Friday at the latest.
Clark and Scott are working out the finer points of his contract
tonight, but the deal is sealed. Also, Clark informed Herm Edwards
and his coaching staff that they will be released.
All assistants can reapply through Scott.



I only share this information because I'm no longer with the team and

it's fun to share that a new day is dawning at Arrowhead. Scott Pioli

will quickly move to clean out the front office and hire a new coach.

The only info I have on the new coach is it will not be Kirk Ferentz

from the Iowa Hawkeyes. Kirk coaches his son at Iowa and does not

want to leave until his son graduates.

Mike Shanahan has contacted Pioli, but I don't know any info beyond that.
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