Mother**** you Scott Pioli

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No, you're making wild-eye conspiracy theories that go against the face of almost everything we've been hearing.

You claim Haley was fired because of Palko. Nevermind that there is talk that Pioli was not only practically ready to fire Haley before this season, he was purposely making Haley's life a living hell this year in order to find a good excuse to get rid of him.

You're claiming Haley demanded that Palko be on the roster and that Pioli not bring any new QBs in. Find me a single shred of evidence that suggests that to be true. Last time I checked, Pioli is the guy who has the most power by a mile on what free agents they sign. If Pioli looked at the roster and truly believed Palko was the best backup QB they could find, then that is 1000% his fault.

Haley's fault was that he played Palko longer than he should have. But that's not nearly as bad as Pioli's fault of believing he was the best available backup the Chiefs could have brought in.

Speaking of wild-eye theories.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

No one knows that. Its easier to say trade up and trade down than it is for it to happen.

Besides, they are picking 4th. If you look at the draft chart, which teams seem to follow fairly closely, they could give up their 4th, 2nd round, and 3rd round to move up to 2.

They are definitely in the driver's seat. I know people want to believe that the Chiefs would have any chance in hell of getting RGIII. The sad reality is, in order for the Chiefs to outmatch the Browns, they have to not only match the Browns' offer, but also throw in compensation for a trade down from 4 to 11. That is going to be some hefty, hefty trade value.

[jd1020]

Even if they did have to give up their 2nd first pick to move up, which would also be close to equal value for a move up to 2, Wright might still be on the board.

[O.city]

Everything I've seen lately has Wright going in the first somewhere.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Speaking of wild-eye theories.

Per Gretz. A guy who has plenty of sources and wouldn't post this material if he didn't have credible information:

"It’s become more and more apparent that even though he was named coach of the year by some outlets in 2010, won a division title and got the Chiefs into the playoffs with a lineup far from championship caliber, the organization wanted to dump him after that season. Unfortunately, neither Hunt nor GM Scott Pioli had the guts to pull the trigger and make the move, so worried were they about the public reaction to firing a coach that made the playoffs.

Instead, they kept him on board and went about making his life as head coach as miserable as possible. Second guessing of decisions to his face, to others in the organization, to friendly media types began almost immediately. Hunt would have preferred the Chiefs have kept Charlie Weis as offensive coordinator and gotten rid of Haley, but that’s not how things worked out.

There was constant harping at Haley about little things. The head coach went to a Lil’Wayne concert on a Monday night in August with some of his players and word spread out of the Chiefs offices around the league that Haley was a slacker, unwilling to work hard. There were snide comments in the national media, passed down the pipeline from the Chiefs front office about his mental stability and his supposedly uncontrollable temper. There were willing partners in the local media who were fed this pabulum as well, and they repeated it almost with glee.

There was the talk of how he dressed; his raggedy hat, his shaving habits, his sweatshirts and the like. Those last items really infuriated the home office in Dallas. The talk out of Hunt Central was that Haley did not represent what an NFL head coach should look like. Wonder if Bill Belichick has ever had Patriots owner Robert Kraft walk into his office and question him about his choice of hoodie with cutoff sleeves for his sideline apparel?

One of the things that gnawed at Haley almost immediately upon his arrival in the building was how little things became big things, the old making a mountain out of a mole hill. Plus, there was the inability of the organization to move quickly and pull the trigger on various situations. There were constant conversations, back and forth between the offices and Dallas, more meetings and still sometimes a decision couldn’t get made."

[Messier]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No, you're making wild-eye conspiracy theories that go against the face of almost everything we've been hearing.

You claim Haley was fired because of Palko. Nevermind that there is talk that Pioli was not only practically ready to fire Haley before this season, he was purposely making Haley's life a living hell this year in order to find a good excuse to get rid of him.

You're claiming Haley demanded that Palko be on the roster and that Pioli not bring any new QBs in. Find me a single shred of evidence that suggests that to be true. Last time I checked, Pioli is the guy who has the most power by a mile on what free agents they sign. If Pioli looked at the roster and truly believed Palko was the best backup QB they could find, then that is 1000% his fault.

Haley's fault was that he played Palko longer than he should have. But that's not nearly as bad as Pioli's fault of believing he was the best available backup the Chiefs could have brought in.

I think he deserved to go because of Palko. Orton could have started the Bears game, but he was brought in to run a flea flicker?

I think youre mistaken that Pioli saddled Haley with Palko. Haley could have said Palko needs to be cut, Haley could have gone to Stanzi be bore even thinking about putting in Palko. Sorry, I don't put the whole Palko fiasco on Pioli.

[Messier]

Did Haley deserve to get fired?

[jd1020]

Did Pioli buy the concert tickets and bitch later that he actually went?

Haley made his life miserable here because the dude was a ****ing headcase and the job was over is head.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Messier

I think he deserved to go because of Palko. Orton could have started the Bears game, but he was brought in to run a flea flicker?

I think youre mistaken that Pioli saddled Haley with Palko. Haley could have said Palko needs to be cut, Haley could have gone to Stanzi be bore even thinking about putting in Palko. Sorry, I don't put the whole Palko fiasco on Pioli.

You're telling me that the GM of a franchise didn't have the power or the guts to overrule the coach about a player that was so glaringly bad? Pioli didn't even have to second-guess Haley. He could have signed a veteran 4th string QB for cheap and let Haley decide which 3 QBs he could have kept. JFC.

And you are an idiot if you think Orton was only brought in in Chicago to run a flea-flicker. He was brought in to replace Palko. Orton should have started that game, but the timing of Orton coming into the game made it very clear that he was the QB from that point forward.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're telling me that the GM of a franchise didn't have the power or the guts to overrule the coach about a player that was so glaringly bad? Pioli didn't even have to second-guess Haley. He could have signed a veteran 4th string QB for cheap and let Haley decide which 3 QBs he could have kept. JFC.

And you are an idiot if you think Orton was only brought in in Chicago to run a flea-flicker. He was brought in to replace Palko. Orton should have started that game, but the timing of Orton coming into the game made it very clear that he was the QB from that point forward.

Pioli signing Orton was his attempt to overrule haley. Haley had control over the roster, you can guess that Pioli told Haley who was making the team, and the depth chart, I think you're wrong, but you can guess that. The wheels came off for Haley.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Messier

Did Haley deserve to get fired?

I think so. I actually liked Haley and made no secret about it. In fact, I think Haley (if he continues to get opportunities) will eventually be very successful in the NFL. He has a lot to learn, but I think he probably will.

Nevertheless, he should have been fired. I honestly think he knew the guillotine was soon to fall and his last acts were to piss on Dr. Evil's Italian suit pants. The bottom line is that Dr. Evil wasn't going anywhere and those two nutcases couldn't co-exist without tearing down the cafeteria.

Besides, Haley didn't have the image that Clark wanted in a head coach. That meltdown against the Jets was the last straw for Clark.

Anyhow, Haley is now in the past. It's somebody else's deal now and we'll see just what kind of grip Dr. Evil has on Romeo's Juliets.

FAX

[Messier]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're telling me that the GM of a franchise didn't have the power or the guts to overrule the coach about a player that was so glaringly bad? Pioli didn't even have to second-guess Haley. He could have signed a veteran 4th string QB for cheap and let Haley decide which 3 QBs he could have kept. JFC.

And you are an idiot if you think Orton was only brought in in Chicago to run a flea-flicker. He was brought in to replace Palko. Orton should have started that game, but the timing of Orton coming into the game made it very clear that he was the QB from that point forward.

No the GM doesn't tell the coach who to start, it's not a question of guts, it's not his job.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Messier

Did Haley deserve to get fired?

There is a ton of smoke that they wanted to fire Haley after the playoff loss to Baltimore. A game that was lost, by the way, because Pioli's golden boy had one of the worst 3rd quarter playoff performances of all time. If that's true, then it is absolutely outrageous that they wanted him to be fired.

No, I don't think Haley should have been fired. I think Pioli should have at least given him a chance by surrounding him with quality free agents. I think Pioli is easily the guy you blame that Palko/Stanzi were the only two plan B QBs on the roster. I think Haley's track record proved that he deserved a 4th year, but that the 4th year should have been his make it/break it year. If there was no playoff win in 2012 and his players were relatively healthy, then yes, you can him.

I'm realistic about Haley's shortcomings. I know what they were and there are several flaws. But it's more than a little disturbing that there is so much smoke that the front office was going out of their way to do everything they could to get Haley to fail so they'd have an excuse to fire him. I would have liked to have seen Haley operate under a real QB and without the front office meddling in every last thing Haley did. I think he at least deserved that much.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Messier

No the GM doesn't tell the coach who to start, it's not a question of guts, it's not his job.

The question isn't about who to start. The question is why the **** Pioli walked into the season thinking that he could walk into the season with a 5th round rookie (in a strike-shortened season) and a 6th-string QB as his backup QBs.

It's not a good thing when your GM has to pull a hail mary on your BACK-UP in midseason. He was incredibly lucky, in fact, that Orton was even on the market at just the right time.

And the only game where Orton should have started under Haley was against Chicago. He didn't, but he eventually went in to replace Palko in the second quarter. Again, you are getting riled up over one quarter.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is a ton of smoke that they wanted to fire Haley after the playoff loss to Baltimore. A game that was lost, by the way, because Pioli's golden boy had one of the worst 3rd quarter playoff performances of all time. If that's true, then it is absolutely outrageous that they wanted him to be fired.

No, I don't think Haley should have been fired. I think Pioli should have at least given him a chance by surrounding him with quality free agents. I think Pioli is easily the guy you blame that Palko/Stanzi were the only two plan B QBs on the roster. I think Haley's track record proved that he deserved a 4th year, but that the 4th year should have been his make it/break it year. If there was no playoff win in 2012 and his players were relatively healthy, then yes, you can him.

I'm realistic about Haley's shortcomings. I know what they were and there are several flaws. But it's more than a little disturbing that there is so much smoke that the front office was going out of their way to do everything they could to get Haley to fail so they'd have an excuse to fire him. I would have liked to have seen Haley operate under a real QB and without the front office meddling in every last thing Haley did. I think he at least deserved that much.

Haleys track record of 19-26, frequent blow out losses, and meltdowns on the sidelines made him deserving of another chance? WTF?