What is wrong with Mahomes' deep ball?

[TLO]

I was in the camp most of the season in saying that these guys are going to get on the same page, and eventually the deep shots will start hitting.

After today, I'm not sure this is the case.

Is this an offensive line issue? Just not enough time for Mahomes to set and fire an accurate deep ball?

Is it an WR issue? We have 1 burner in Worthy, but the rest of our receivers are slow.

Is it a Mahomes issue?

Someone smarter than me tell me what's going on.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, he focused on Rice, he was always open.

This whole "spread it around to weapons" thing alot of times is speak for "we don't have anyone good so throw it to everyone".

The problem was he developed tunnel vision. It’s not about spreading out equal targets. It’s about creating just enough credibility in a deep game to open up the rest of our offense. Even with rashee that was badly lacking and over dependence on long plodding drives isn’t always ideal when your OL is extremely error prone and your WRs still drop too many.

I think we can all agree that if Mahomes can be reasonably better throwing to worthy this offense looks very different.

[mr. tegu]

I went back and watched the miss to Worthy in the end zone that happened with 7:50 to go in the second quarter. It’s just an inexcusably bad throw. Any first time starter or seasoned veteran should be making the throw at the very least within reach 9/10 times. He was off by like 10 yards. This play is set up perfectly and he has nobody within 8 yards of him in the pocket. The only explanation is he’s not trusting what’s happening which is Worthy is essentially wide open. Any explanation that puts this on the line or Worthy just isn’t being honest.

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[stevieray]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Eh I don’t know about that. When rice was here mahomes developed tunnel vision. And our offense was built around long dink and dunk drives. It worked end of last year but we make too many mistakes on offense for this to be sustainable. If we trust in veach he knew the best way to unlock Mahomes again was to get him some speed threats. That’s why he brought in not 1 but 2 speed threats. I like rashee as a player more than Hollywood, but Hollywood was the loss that really hurt.. for the time being given mahomes’ current issues

Losing your #1 and #2 WR(with no playing time) is going to effect every QB.

We don't need the deep ball to win.
People just like to see it aired out.

[-King-]

We lost Rice because Mahomes was playing so badly and so turnover prone at the start of the season that he ended up injuring Rice on an interception return. We can't act like things were rosey when Rice was here.

And it was 10 ****ing weeks ago and we replaced him with DHop. We saw the Bills add a WR midseason also and their QB is the MVP favorite.

[stevieray]

Not to mention Kelce has regressed and was Pat's favorite target.

Why a TE was putting up WR numbers.

When Mahomes has time to plant his feet, he's deadly.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Losing your #1 and #2 WR(with no playing time) is going to effect every QB.

We don't need the deep ball to win.
People just like to see it aired out.

But you’re ignoring that even with rashee dominating something just felt off. I think a few weeks with Hollywood would have made a huge difference in fixing mahomes. But we never got a chance to do it. Mahomes isn’t going to be some elite deep ball thrower. This isn’t about throwing 70 yard bombs left and right. He’s not really that qb anymore. This is about opening up an intermediate game to open up the short game. We’ve seen with worthy alone that this is there for us if we could just execute

On top of that we’re struggling to create big scores which has put lots of pressure on a pretty average red zone offense. And we struggle on third and long which isn’t ideal for an OL that commits lots and lots of penalties.

I trust in veach. You don’t think it’s telling that he brought in not 1 but 2 speed options? All while cutting Mvs as a statement that they need to do things differently?

[O.city]

I guess we're rolling out the Alex Smith defense of the starting QB now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Nick Jacobs echoed what I was posting last night which is that it felt like the offense was trying to work on certain things whether they were there or not, despite having open underneath routes all afternoon, and it wrecked their rhythm in the second half.

It was truly like a boring Madden game to them in the way they approached 2nd half plays, and Mahomes paid a price for it.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Same exact thing is happening to Stroud. Need to hit OL hard this offseason

Without a ton of top tier QB options in this draft it should be less expensive to trade up for a legit LT. There are 8 teams that need QB and possibly 2 or 3 QB's worth taking. Some of those teams will want to trade out and nobody is going to pay max price without a QB there to trade up for.

Similar to when KC had the no 1 pick. Now, it won't be that deflated because there actually is talent in this draft and that year might have been the largest talent drought in the last 20 years. It's just an example...

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Nick Jacobs echoed what I was posting last night which is that it felt like the offense was trying to work on certain things whether they were there or not, despite having open underneath routes all afternoon, and it wrecked their rhythm in the second half.

It was truly like a boring Madden game to them in the way they approached 2nd half plays, and Mahomes paid a price for it.

Echoes what I posted last night. Mahomes is thinking too much.

I watched the deep shot to Watson again on NFL+. The playcall was clearly “get the ball downfield”. The extra blockers was set up for it and Mahomes eyes were on Watson the entire play.

They are treating this like practice instead of just letting Mahomes go through reads.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Losing your #1 and #2 WR(with no playing time) is going to effect every QB.

We don't need the deep ball to win.
People just like to see it aired out.

No these are basic throws that any starting qb should make.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Echoes what I posted last night. Mahomes is thinking too much.

I watched the deep shot to Watson again on NFL+. The playcall was clearly “get the ball downfield”. The extra blockers was set up for it and Mahomes eyes were on Watson the entire play.

They are treating this like practice instead of just letting Mahomes go through reads.

At least you know there’s meat on the bone and Patrick said it at his presser — he’s gotta trust the system and just go through the reads as they’re designed.

Lock in for this run and there’s no reason they can’t win some ball games 27-24 against even the best opponents. There is no dominant defense out there, only Philly is close.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

No these are basic throws that any starting qb should make.

Yeah, Ty Johnson had a 100 yard game yesterday. I think there's some truth to the hundred things we talk about here.... new receivers, injured receivers, shitty receivers, offensive line issues, etc.

But we've seen the offense when it's dialed in to win a game or whatever the situation several times this season and then we've seen.... *vaguely gestures* ...that. And we all assume the switch will flip in a few weeks and all is fine, which negates much of what we excuse as "it's everything/everybody EXCEPT Mahomes".

Nah, some of it is on him to flip that switch, especially when playing this way is getting you killed.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by cl.brooklyn

The problem with him being so football smart and seeing everything is he might be processing stuff that’s not happened yet, but could be one or two ticks away. Some might call that ghosts, but I think that takes a negative connotation, and this shouldn’t. His anticipation of off the charts and he’s like Dr. Strange seeing the tens of millions of outcomes at once.

Mahomes is out there playing chess and seeing the pieces on the field move several steps ahead and not only is he trying to anticipate and manipulate the defense, he’s got to factor in some of the offensive shortcomings on line and in the WR corps. He can do it all, but it’s probably overloading him and causing a short circuit at times.


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[Couch-Potato]

I thought that deep ball to Hopkins looked pretty good.

Also, Thuney played pretty well at LT.