Jameis Winston

[O.city]

Screw it, seasons over, it's draft season.

This is our guy, he's gonna fall for off field stuff (don't care anyway, it's overblown). He fulfills both sides of cp. He's a winner, and he's a bad ass who's "clutch" (I hate that ****ing cliche so bad, but oh well).

Jameis Winston and Andy Reid in KC. Book it.

http://nflphilosophy.com/marcus-mari...ameis-winston/
Thoughts?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Meh; at his age, you shouldn't have to coddle and babysit; he should WANT to be great.

At 22 I beat a man outside a bar and wondered for weeks if I'd be arrested.

At 23 I managed a video store (look it up), fired all but 3 people there, then had the best year (don't tell my wife) of my life.

I wouldn't even consider myself close to a clear thinking and intelligent adult until 10 years later...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I initially responded to a poster who said Winston was guilty of multiple incidents of theft per business owners in Tally. You quoted my response to that, and I am addressing those claims of Winston. Nothing more.

I believe that rapist is also a thief a helluva lot more than I think he din do nuffins.

That's just common sense.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Rausch

At 22 I beat a man outside a bar and wondered for weeks if I'd be arrested.

At 23 I managed a video store (look it up), fired all but 3 people there, then had the best year (don't tell my wife) of my life.

I wouldn't even consider myself close to a clear thinking and intelligent adult until 10 years later...

Sure. I'm not far enough removed from my early twenties to post about some of the stupid shit I've done (statute of limitations) but I also wasn't in his position.

If he wanted it, he wouldn't have raped that chick. He's a very high risk, he's the second coming of Vick, he WILL be arrested as an NFL player, mark my words.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

NO.

Pass on Rapeis Winston.

He was cleared on the rape charge. Physical evidence did not back some of the girl's claims, her story had holes and she kept changing it too. That's a sign she's lying. But go ahead and remain deluded because of the one incident he did do wrong, was punished for and made amends.

(The student union even was a BS charge too. It was only cause of social media it became overblown.)

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I believe that rapist is also a thief a helluva lot more than I think he din do nuffins.

That's just common sense.

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[Rausch]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Sure. I'm not far enough removed from my early twenties to post about some of the stupid shit I've done (statute of limitations) but I also wasn't in his position.

If he wanted it, he wouldn't have raped that chick. He's a very high risk, he's the second coming of Vick, he WILL be arrested as an NFL player, mark my words.

He won't.

He'll be the next Rams QB.

Mark MY words...

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I believe that rapist is also a thief a helluva lot more than I think he din do nuffins.

That's just common sense.

He was cleared on the rape charge. Or haven't you heard? Have you actually read the record on that hearing?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

He was cleared on the rape charge. Or haven't you heard? Have you actually read the record on that hearing?

Yeah. And OJ was acquitted of murder, so that means he's an angel
.

Big Ben got cleared too. Even though he did it.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Yeah. And OJ was acquitted of murder, so that means he's an angel
.

How cliche. There's no comparison if you read the record of fact—which you haven't done. It's more like the Duke LaCross false rape accusation—if you read the facts. It happens and it's happening more than you think that such a charge is levied on guys by women.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

How cliche. There's no comparison if you read the record of fact—which you haven't done. It's more like the Duke LaCross false rape accusation—if you read the facts. It happens and it's happening more than you think that that charge is levied on guys by women.

I could care less. The fact that he was accused is enough to scare me off. Where there's smoke...

[rabblerouser]

The NFL isn't a court of law. I simply would pass. I wouldn't want that guy representing my team or my city.

He's a scumbag.

[Eleazar]

Not many around the league are going to be fooled about his maturity and his "makeup". After Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, it's even more of a concern than ever. Some teams will take a guy completely off their draft board if they think he is a bad character/makeup guy.

Winston has all the hallmarks of being a bad makeup player. Shoplifting, missing meetings, stupid behavior that isn't serious but shows he doesn't think before speaking or acting, taking liberties with women... he thinks rules don't apply to him. He's been coddled at FSU and behavior that would have gotten players suspended or booted from other teams has been excused. He has never been held to account for his actions and has always got the star treatment. People like this get to the NFL level and fail because they have never had to work for it before.

These are some of the same things people said about Geno Smith, or Manziel, that they had an entitled attitude and felt like they'd already "arrived". They figured they would just show up and ball. Now they are finding out that a lot of better people than they are have failed before them, and they aren't going to succeed by coasting through life as they have up until now.

Teams don't care that he wasn't charged with the rape, or that FSU investigated itself and the same people who made the decision found that they agreed with the decision. They care about his immature and risk-taking behavior and what else they might uncover about him off the field. They are going to talk to everyone around him, not just the people he puts forward who are going to say he's great and wouldn't say if he was a turd anyway. He has a longstanding pattern of immature and irresponsible behavior so there is probably plenty to uncover.

Someone will fall in love with his athleticism and make the same mistake teams always make on guys like this, they think they can step in and raise him. But a lot of teams won't even consider someone like this, especially at the QB position which already has the highest failure rate and is the most difficult to transition to.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I could care less. The fact that he was accused is enough to scare me off. Where there's smoke...

Another cliche. Facts still do not support the poster who just accused him of multiple thefts on businesses in Tally. That's sociopathic to make up stories and claims too. Please stay on topic regarding what I posted.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Not many around the league are going to be fooled about his maturity and his "makeup". After Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, it's even more of a concern than ever. Some teams will take a guy completely off their draft board if they think he is a bad character/makeup guy.

Winston has all the hallmarks of being a bad makeup player. Shoplifting, missing meetings, stupid behavior that isn't serious but shows he doesn't think before speaking or acting, taking liberties with women... he thinks rules don't apply to him. He's been coddled at FSU and behavior that would have gotten players suspended or booted from other teams has been excused. He has never been held to account for his actions and has always got the star treatment. People like this get to the NFL level and fail because they have never had to work for it before.

These are some of the same things people said about Geno Smith, or Manziel, that they had an entitled attitude and felt like they'd already "arrived". They figured they would just show up and ball. Now they are finding out that a lot of better people than they are have failed before them, and they aren't going to succeed by coasting through life as they have up until now.

Teams don't care that he wasn't charged with the rape, or that FSU investigated itself and the same people who made the decision found that they agreed with the decision. They care about his immature and risk-taking behavior and what else they might uncover about him off the field. They are going to talk to everyone around him, not just the people he puts forward who are going to say he's great and wouldn't say if he was a turd anyway. He has a longstanding pattern of immature and irresponsible behavior so there is probably plenty to uncover.

Someone will fall in love with his athleticism and make the same mistake teams always make on guys like this, they think they can step in and raise him. But a lot of teams won't even consider someone like this, especially at the QB position which already has the highest failure rate and is the most difficult to transition to.

This.

Sorry to burst the bubble of anyone with a man-crush on the cocoa penii of Winston...but that's the troof.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Another cliche. Facts still do not support the poster who just accused him of multiple thefts on businesses in Tally. That's sociopathic to make up stories and claims too. Please stay on topic regarding what I posted.

I didn't make ANYTHING up.

I simply said that I would pass.

He's not worth the risk.