Pro Bowl LT DJ Humphries Medically Cleared [signed by Chiefs]

[SHOWTIME]

Does Veach give him a call?

I predict @Chiefs. Makes too much sense https://t.co/hu5xdI5KF2

— Justin Pugh (@JustinPugh) November 22, 2024

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Damn I liked Guyton too. It’s tough out there

"Chiefs have to do whatever it takes to get a LT in the draft"

- Alt: taken pick 5 but great
- Latham: pick 7 and PFF's 49th tackle
- Fashanu: taken pick 11 hasn't played but 3 games at LT
-Fuaga: taken pick 14 PFF's 46th tackle
- Mims: Has been hurt, playing RT and rated 60th
-…

— Price Carter (@priceacarter) December 3, 2024

They missed Brandon Coleman, starting LT for the Washington Commanders, drafted in the 3rd round this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Trey Smith is currently graded out as the 4th best player on offense behind Humphrey, Mahomes, and Thuney. How's that for substance.

On the strength of his run blocking. As a pass blocker, he's below average.

Which is precisely what we already knew.

So I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.

Do you believe any of the things that guy said regarding the respective players were WRONG? Would you try to argue that Fashanu, Fuaga, Mims or Guyton have been good this year?

I'd say that's your burden to carry at this point, hoss. To this point you've provided nothing to indicate that any of those guys would've been worth giving up 2 first rounders for.

You bemoan a lack of substance when to this point all you've done is blow past any attempts to speak to whatever argument it is you're trying to make.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They missed Brandon Coleman, starting LT for the Washington Commanders, drafted in the 3rd round this year.

Annoyingly, for the amount of shit we gave Baltimore for drafting Rosengarten over Kingsley, he's been pretty damn solid this year especially for a 2nd day rookie OT.

But really, after Alt, Latham and Rosengarten, nobody in the class has really established themselves. Coleman has the job but by default more than performance. He's been pretty iffy in his own right.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Wouldn't it be nice if the NFL had a kind of minor league they could send a lot of these players to so they could develop NFL skills?

The problem is Football is such an expensive sport to play compared to things like the NBA's D-League and AAA baseball and the sort, that the NFL doesn't want that kind of money put towards something they can very quietly continue to push on to College Football.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Annoyingly, for the amount of shit we gave Baltimore for drafting Rosengarten over Kingsley, he's been pretty damn solid this year especially for a 2nd day rookie OT.

But really, after Alt, Latham and Rosengarten, nobody in the class has really established themselves. Coleman has the job but by default more than performance. He's been pretty iffy in his own right.

My understanding is that Coleman is far more pro ready than the guys before him, he fell because scouts thought he was limited athletically.


Can't remember Rosegarten scouting reports but wasn't he supposed to be RT only?

We paid a premium to get a guy like Kingsley because even though he was raw, he had LT upside...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Smith is going to get big $ somewhere next year regardless of how you think he has played this year. So he may as well earn it the rest of the season while he is still in KC.

FWIW Mitchell Schwartz pretty openly stated Smith's issues have been from having to make up for Taylor's weakness. I am assuming those deep pass sets are ****ing things over for Trey.

How else can one set when your offense is constantly in shotgun, your coach puts you on an island virtually every snap and your QB has probably the deepest drop-back point in the league?

We've ALWAYS utilized deep sets. At least since Mahomes took over. That was the biggest worry with Orlando Brown Jr -- did he have the feet to make those deep sets work? That's not a 'weakness' of Taylor, it's a necessity in this offense. He HAS to get back out of his stance and take a deep set.

I won't say an inability to deal with that is a real indictment of Smith necessarily, just another example of him not being an ideal fit here. He just isn't. Thuney doesn't struggle to keep that outside shoulder protected despite having a MUCH worse OT alongside him and dealing with similar problems. Thuney, to this day, is probably the best pass-blocking OG in the league.

Thuney is a dream scenario in terms of skill sets and scheme fit. Smith just isn't.

[smithandrew051]

If we pay big money to Trey Smith, I’ll be very very confused.

[Sassy Squatch]

Two first rounders?!! What draft pick chart are you working off of? Let's use Mims as our example since he's the player we got linked to after the fact. Picked at 18 so you gotta move up to 17 presumably. That's 32, 64, and a day three pick. I'd do that gladly in hindsight. Would kind of suck to lose out on Worthy but currently he and Mahomes mesh about as well as orange juice and toothpaste, and Suamataia isn't even playable. Mims has warts but he's also shown incredible promise and as ****ing shit as the Bengals have turned out to be I can't really finger him as a major problem.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

If we pay big money to Trey Smith, I’ll be very very confused.

I don't even think that's in the realm of possibility anymore, even at a discount. If Kingsley or Wanya had worked out at LT, then maybe. At this point you're looking at paying probably close to $20 million a year for a guy like Humphries or Armstead.

Trey is goner, and it sucks.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

If we pay big money to Trey Smith, I’ll be very very confused.

You can't sustain a payroll like we'd have along the OL. If you pay Trey, I suspect that we'd be tying up ~35% of our Cap on 4 of the 5 OL spots in 2025 and still have a potential hole at LT. I think we should try and re-sign DJ, part ways with Trey and move Wanya to RG. That'd be my move.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

You can't sustain a payroll like we'd have along the OL. If you pay Trey, I suspect that we'd be tying up ~35% of our Cap on 4 of the 5 OL spots in 2025. I think we should try and re-sign DJ, part ways with Trey and move Wanya to RG. That'd be my move.

If Trey leaves I expect Nourzad to win the job unless we spend another high draft pick at guard.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Spot on. If Humphries ends up playing well and they don't pay him, they damn well better go out and get someone even better next offseason, no matter what it takes. I have to imagine Pat has had just about enough and hopefully is relaying the same message to them.

It should be quite clear at this point that Mahomes is not going to be what he should be without a goddamn competent LT. This pussyfooting bullcrap needs to stop, get him a damn left tackle. I don't care if the value isn't there, I don't care if you have to overpay, just do it.

And this is how KC got Taylor at his over market contract...

Which by the way, I don't hold it against BV.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Two first rounders?!! What draft pick chart are you working off of? Let's use Mims as our example since he's the player we got linked to after the fact. Picked at 18 so you gotta move up to 17 presumably. That's 32, 64, and a day three pick. I'd do that gladly in hindsight. Would kind of suck to lose out on Worthy but currently he and Mahomes mesh about as well as orange juice and toothpaste, and Suamataia isn't even playable. Mims has warts but he's also shown incredible promise and as ****ing shit as the Bengals have turned out to be I can't really finger him as a major problem.

Oh, you're talking a trade into the late teens, early 20s?

Yeah, there's been a lot of home work done on this front - there's really little utility in it. Statistically, you're better served using 32 AND 64 on developmental tackles than you are trading into the middle of the 1st round.

Once you get past the top 2 OTs in any given draft class, it's a scouting exercise and little more. You're no more likely to find 'the answer' at 18 than you are by taking two swings at 32 and 64.

And you'd be massacring Mims if we'd have traded a 1st and 2nd rounder to move up for him. "Has some warts" is a hell of a lot more diplomatic than you'd be if a guy who all the scouting reports indicated was a RT long-term were to be one of the bottom 1/3 OTs in the league playing RT here. And if he were asked to play LT in THIS scheme, he'd be getting taken to the woodshed just as badly as Morris.

This is a wildly disingenuous argument.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Huh?

Laremy Tunsil (2016 - Rd 1, Pk 13) - elite
Christian Darrisaw (2021 - Rd 1, Pk 23) - elite or at least very near it, health has taken him down for some time in 2023 and this year though
Tyron Smith (2011 - Rd 1, Pk 9) - once elite, health of late is an issue but that doesn't discount the first 8-9 years of his career
Rashawn Slater (2021 - Rd 1, Pk 13) - elite, missed most of his sophomore year but has been one of the best outside of that
Ronnie Stanley (2016 - Rd 1, Pk 6) - elite early on but seems like health issues are mounting, feel free to chop him off if you want
Tristan Wirfs (2020 - Rd 1, Pk 13) - elite at both RT and LT. He may have spent the first 3 years at RT but he's been even better since moving to LT. Sewell probably does the same when Decker moves on and you could throw him up here then.
Kolton Miller (2018 - Rd 1, Pk 15) - elite. He might play for a rival but he's one of the top few pass protectors at LT in the NFL.

There are a few others that aren't elite but are definitely solid plus players.

“Elite” = Trent Williams, Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace, and Anthony Munoz.

Your definition of “elite” is weak if you consider any of those players listed in that same category.

[Sassy Squatch]

Huh? He's been pretty damn good even as a rookie outside of the Ravens and Chargers game where he was playing with a high ankle sprain. Outside of those two games he's allowed either one or two pressures.