BREAKING: Nick Foles starting against Jags

[carcosa]

According to Andy Reid's press conference, still ongoing:

https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityC...4631951288373/

[Reerun_KC]

Downfield big game 2.0 and his new horizontal wobble launcher...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Here's my viewpoint on this. You can certainly call it cherry picking, but it's my opinion on the topic of Foles. His play in STL was the outlier. That Oline was terrible and the team was terrible on the offensive side of the ball. Gurley had to put up a herculean performance after contact to accomplish what he did.

And like I said in my first response, this goes beyond just Nick Foles. It's the larger discussion about Smith. Teams aren't threatened by his deep ball. And the Chiefs fans around here want to see more deep throws, not because "fantasy football" but because of the belief that it will open up all of the short game, not just the running game. If you disagree, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that the people that respond with "hurr durr fantasy football" or think it's just about sexy plays are completely missing the point, probably intentionally.

And what about his final season in Philly after the league adjusted to Chip?

AYA of 6.3. TD/INT of 13/10.

Again - dink and dunk + turnovers.

You're not even cherry picking; you're going full-Clay and ignoring everything but the 10 game stretch you want to see. And remember how that 10 game stretch ended? With Foles throwing 33 passes for 195 yards to lose a home playoff game to a Saints team that wasn't as good as the Saints team that Smith beat by throwing for 300 yards and 3 TDs in the playoffs for SF.

"Well....if we ignore his rookie year under Reid, his last year under Kelly and his season in STL...oh, and his playoff start...and his college career....he looks great!"

Tell me more about his sample size, JSP....

You can say all day that you HOPE Foles can make a big difference in our offense but there's really no rational basis for it. You'd have to ignore about 75% of what we have available to us in favor of focusing on the remaining 25%. I mean sometimes you hit on 17 and get a 4....I just wouldn't call it wise.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Place will be interesting if he shits his pants and the Jags pull it off

[tk13]

I don't understand why people think Andy Reid is going to change all of a sudden. I've posted this too many times, but Andy Reid has been a coach for 20 years in this league. He's never going to change. His offense is based around the short, horizontal passing game. It didn't matter if he had Alex Smith, or someone who could bomb it down the field like Mike Vick. He is going to throw a lot of screens, passes near the LOS, or short horizontal passes designed to get WRs in space. I don't expect Foles to look like Roethlisberger or Flacco Sunday, taking 15 shots down the field. He's going run Reid's offense, a bunch of horizontal passes with the occasional shot downfield. And Reid's had a ton of success doing it, but it's obviously not popular here. I don't think many of you will be able to be happy until Reid's gone.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

Smith is a good QB no doubt about it, but don't you get a little uneasy knowing he's our QB come playoff time? I just know we won't put up points with Smith at QB. We don't know what Foles can do in this system. It's just exciting to see what he can bring that Alex doesn't, if it's anything at all.

Nope. What I get uneasy about are the injuries to the other high-priced players each postseason. THAT bugs the shit out of me.. and has been the true killer.

As for Foles, I am actually excited to see what he can do.

THE one thing of it that will suck is this.. if it is extremely temporary (one game) for him as QB1.. whether he plays wonderfully or horrifically won't matter.

All that we will read is "how amazing he is, and must be starting!" all week.. even though Andy probably won't agree.. so folks will hate and blame Smith all the more.

or

We will hear a million excuses as to why he struggled. All of the things once called "excuses!" for one QB will now be spewed out from every corner in defense of Foles.

the CP drama will be upon us.. one way or the other. or

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Place will be interesting if he shits his pants and the Jags pull it off

Anything is possible with Reid

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't understand why people think Andy Reid is going to change all of a sudden. I've posted this too many times, but Andy Reid has been a coach for 20 years in this league. He's never going to change. His offense is based around the short, horizontal passing game. It didn't matter if he had Alex Smith, or someone who could bomb it down the field like Mike Vick. He is going to throw a lot of screens, passes near the LOS, or short horizontal passes designed to get WRs in space. I don't expect Foles to look like Roethlisberger or Flacco Sunday, taking 15 shots down the field. He's going run Reid's offense, a bunch of horizontal passes with the occasional shot downfield. And Reid's had a ton of success doing it, but it's obviously not popular here. I don't think many of you will be able to be happy until Reid's gone.

Yeah it sucks having a winning record every year and winning 15 out of 17! Miserable ****s.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by tk13

And Reid's had a ton of success doing it, but it's obviously not popular here.

Here meaning CP? Nah, it's just the few loudmouths that can't deal with a team that's 15-2 in its last 17 regular season wins, coming off the first playoff win since the 1993 season. "Throwing down field" is more important than wins for some.

Idiots, all.

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think many of you will be able to be happy until Reid's gone.

Reid's here until he retires. Hunt has already stated that contract extensions have been discussed for Reid and Dorsey, as they should.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't understand why people think Andy Reid is going to change all of a sudden. Andy Reid has been a coach for 20 years in this league. He's never going to change. His offense is based around the short, horizontal passing game. It didn't matter if he had Alex Smith, or someone who could bomb it down the field like Mike Vick. He is going to throw a lot of screens, passes near the LOS, or short horizontal passes designed to get WRs in space. I don't expect Foles to look like Roethlisberger or Flacco Sunday, taking 15 shots down the field. He's going run Reid's offense, a bunch of horizontal passes with the occasional shot downfield. And he's had a ton of success doing it, but it's obviously not popular here. I don't think many of you will be happy until Reid's gone.

Eh, that's not true.

When he had Vick feeding the ball to Jackson and Maclin, he switched things up quite a bit. Vick was simply incapable of running a short passing offense (remember the 7 yard piss rockets he'd try to feed to Celek over the middle only to watch them fire past him or get batted down?).

Reid's a damn smart coach and did a good job to adjust to the personnel he had. And if it turns out that Foles is here for awhile and isn't capable of running the short passing game as well as Smith, I expect Reid will tailor the offense to Foles strengths. I think Reid prefers an offense like he runs with Smith but when he doesn't have the guys to make it work, he changes it up.

A Foles led offense would almost certainly be at least a little different than a Smith led offense. The question is whether or not it would actually be better in the kind of nip/tuck games you'll get down the stretch or in the post-season.

Shit man, I don't know and neither does anyone else here. It might be. Personally, I think it wouldn't be but I wouldn't bet my house on that.

I just think people need to be a shitload more equitable in how they analyze this. Foles isn't some cumslinging downfield passing machine - never has been. Smith isn't Matt Cassel out there mis-firing on every third pass and turtling. The odds strongly suggest that both guys are just slightly different versions of a very average quarterback.

But Smith's winning games at a rate surpassed by very few in this league and I think that earns him the benefit of the doubt and a hell of a lot more rope than he's given 'round here.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Turnover differential man. He takes care of the ball and the winning ship keeps sailing. How many times since he's been in kc has Alex turned it over in our own territory? It's a yuge thing that's kept our scoring D so low the last few years.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Yeah it sucks having a winning record every year and winning 15 out of 17! Miserable ****s.

Just to be clear, Reid's a winner. This franchise had some talent, but was a complete, complete disaster when he took over. Pioli had wrecked it. I have no problem with Reid. I agree his offense isn't the most exciting necessarily, but he's been about as successful as anyone not named Belichick over the last 20 years. But, his offense is all about short passes. And it just drives people here crazy, even though we keep winning. Reid's closing in on being one of the 10 winningest coaches ever.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Nope. What I get uneasy about are the injuries to the other high-priced players each postseason. THAT bugs the shit out of me.. and has been the true killer.

As for Foles, I am actually excited to see what he can do.

THE one thing of it that will suck is this.. if it is extremely temporary (one game) for him as QB1.. whether he plays wonderfully or horrifically won't matter.

All that we will read is "how amazing he is, and must be starting!" all week.. even though Andy probably won't agree.. so folks will hate and blame Smith all the more.

or

We will hear a million excuses as to why he struggled. All of the things once called "excuses!" for one QB will now be spewed out from every corner in defense of Foles.

the CP drama will be upon us.. one way or the other. or

hypocrite

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by tk13

Just to be clear, Reid's a winner. This franchise had some talent, but was a complete, complete disaster when he took over. Pioli had wrecked it. I have no problem with Reid. I agree his offense isn't the most exciting necessarily, but he's been about as successful as anyone not named Belichick over the last 20 years. But, his offense is all about short passes. And it just drives people here crazy, even though we keep winning. Reid's closing in on being one of the 10 winningest coaches ever.

Oh i wasn't referring to you as miserable.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hypocrite

He does have a point on what's going to happen here after the game.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Place will be interesting if he shits his pants and the Jags pull it off

This is my fear. That Foles completely shits the bed. We kinda assume (at least i do) that as long as he doesn't turn the ball over then the offense won't look much different.

Im mostly excited to see a variable at QB since it allows us to see how every other aspect of this offense reacts with out Smith. It may give us a good gauge on Smith's value to this team....or a gauge to how effective Reid's system is.

But he very well may just come in and shit the place up.