Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Chiefsplanet is way too lazy for this to work.

Yeah, I have a business and three households to run

[kccrow]

QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC) - 4,183 YDS 27 TD 14 INT
QB Blaine Gabbert KC FA/23 - 185 YDS 0 TD 3 INT

I have MVPat... nuff said

RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (GB) - 889 YDS 3 TD
RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL) - 876 YDS 5 TD
RB Eric Gray D5-166/23 (NYG) - 70 YDS 0 TD
RB Jerick McKinnon KC FA/23 - 252 YDS 5 TD

Solid season from the RBs here but Jones may be starting to show his age with the injuries this year and Allgeier was RB2.

TE Travis Kelce - 985 YDS 5 TD
TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB) - 455 YDS 4 TD
TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC) - 306 YDS 2 TD

Kelce gonna Kelce and the backups were solid but unspectacular. A bit disappointed that Otton didn't take off this year.

WR Donovan Peoples-Jones D5-177/20 (CLE) - 155 YDS 0 TD
WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling KC FA/22 - 315 YDS 1 TD
WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (CIN) - 678 YDS 2 TD
WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (BUF) - 744 YDS 7 TD
WR Justyn Ross D7-251/22 (KC) - 53 YDS 0 TD
WR Richie James KC FA/23 - 114 YDS 0 TD
WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (NO) - 246 YDS 4 TD

My WR corps might be as bad as KCs. Davis remains a solid #2/deep threat though and Perry gave me signs of life late in the year.

LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND) - 15 GS 4 SA PFF 82.3
LG Joe Thuney KC FA/21 - 17 GS 2 SA PFF 74.9 PB AP1
OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO) - 17 GS 4 SA PFF 79.4 PB
RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC) - 17 GS 2 SA PFF 72.2
RT Jawaan Taylor KC FA/23 - 17 GS 5 SA PFF 52.0
OT Carter Warren D3-100/23 (NYJ) - 5 GS 5 SA PFF 46.9
OT Donovan Smith KC FA/23 - 12 GS 2 SA PFF 55.4
OT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB) - 15 GS 6 SA PFF 66.4
OG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI) - 11 GS 3 SA PFF 73.4
OC Bradley Bozeman D6-198/18 (CAR) - 17 GS 8 SA PFF 62.2

When Jawaan Taylor is easily your worst starter you're doing pretty good. Raimann has quietly become one of the top LTs in the game and he's still growing (PFF rated him 7th this year). Jenkins quietly had a nice season but still missed too many games. Rasheed Walker looks like he has a future in the league and Warren flashed in moments.

DL Justin Madubuike D2-64/20 (BAL) - 56 TKL 13.0 SK PB AP2
DL Mazi Smith D1-31/23 (DAL) - 13 TKL 1.0 SK
DL Zach Sieler D7-219/18 (MIA) - 63 TKL 10.0 SK
DL Dante Stills D6-209/23 (ARZ) - 47 TKL 3.5 SK
DL Desjuan Johnson D7-249/23 (LAR) - 9 TKL 2.0 SK

Madubuike and Sieler are an absolute wrecking crew. Everything else is gravy. Really encouraged by Dante Stills' rookie year.

ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (NE) - 13 TKL 4.0 SK
ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC) - 47 TKL 10.5 SK
ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (WAS) - 19 TKL 1.5 SK
ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo D5-159/18 (CLE) - 31 TKL 4.5 SK
ER Charles Omenihu KC FA/23 - 28 TKL 7.0 SK

Losing Judon early hurt but Karlaftis and Omenihu stepped up. Henry got some starts late and actually looked pretty good. He has a future.

LB Cole Holcomb D5-167/19 (PIT) - 54 TKL 0.0 SK 0 INT
LB Logan Wilson D2-63/20 (CIN) - 135 TKL 1.0 SK 4 INT
LB Drue Tranquill KC FA/23 - 78 TKL 4.5 SK 0 INT
LB Leo Chenal D3-94/22 (KC) - 65 TKL 3.0 SK 0 INT
LB Isaiah McDuffie D6-208/21 (GB) - 86 TKL 0.5 SK 0 INT

Holcomb went down again this year, disappointingly, but McDuffie stepped up. Wilson got snubbed from a PB. A damned good crew here. Hopefully, Tranquill can be retained.

CB L'Jarius Sneed D4-138/20 (KC) - 78 TKL 14 PD 2 INT
CB Paulson Adebo D2-63/21 (NO) - 76 TKL 18 PD 4 INT
CB Byron Murphy D1-29/19 (MIN) - 57 TKL 13 PD 3 INT
CB Kelee Ringo D3-95/23 (PHI) - 21 TKL 2 PD 1 INT
CB Christian Benford D5-173/22 (BUF) - 54 TKL 10 PD 2 INT

Lights out CB group here. Ringo turning in some solid snaps late gives me even more hope that it continues to be great.

DB Jessie Bates III D2-52/18 (ATL) - 132 TKL 11 PD 6 INT PB AP2
DB Justin Reid KC FA/22 - 95 TKL 7 PD 1 INT
DB Amani Hooker D4-116/19 (TEN) - 85 TKL 7 PD 1 INT
DB Anthony Johnson Jr. D6-217/23 (GB) - 24 TKL 3 PD 1 INT

The safety group is every bit as good as the CB group, highlighted by the best one in the game in Bates.

SK Harrison Butker KC FA/17 - 33/35 FGM 38/38 XP
SP Tommy Townsend KC FA/20 - 47.1 Y/P 41.9 N/P 20 IN20
LS James Winchester - 17 GP

Great special teams once again.

This team would have easily won a Super Bowl, no doubt. The defense is absolutely stacked.

WR is my only major hole, honestly. Probably need to address RB, backup QB, ER, and see if a RT falls.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Calcountry

Yeah, I have a business and three households to run

Say hi to your wives for me.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

My top draft and free agent needs for next year are:

1. WR - I'm desperate.
2. DT - Or I can risk that one of the young guys will step up.
3. C - Whitehair is on his last legs.
4. CB - I'm going to have to find mid-round gold.

I can't begin to describe how many picks I've dumped into the offensive and defensive line. Played OLine for way too long and I still can't scout it reliably sans OC.

You need a CB, S, LB, RB? No problem...

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I can't begin to describe how many picks I've dumped into the offensive and defensive line. Played OLine for way too long and I still can't scout it reliably sans OC.

You need a CB, S, LB, RB? No problem...

I can't figure out if it's a pattern on my end or just randomness. I kind of think it's randomness about where I draft well or poorly.

Historically, I've done well on the OL and DTs and DBs, and for the entire 10+ years I've done this I've been terrible at DEs and LBs. But now I suddenly am stocking up on them and I can't draft a WR at all, despite putting notable draft capital into that position.

Of course, a lot of success is finding one or two guys. I drafted Russell Wilson back when the Chiefs had no QB, and I drafted Travis Kelce and Alvin Kamara, which set those positions up for a decade. Having a few successes like that let me dump draft capital into other positions for a long time, but of course with mixed success. And when you put high picks into a guy who doesn't work out, it's a disaster, more so than I realize just watching the real guys do it. A missed 1st and 2nd round pick will kill you, and misses aren't uncommon.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I can't figure out if it's a pattern on my end or just randomness. I kind of think it's randomness about where I draft well or poorly.

Historically, I've done well on the OL and DTs and DBs, and for the entire 10+ years I've done this I've been terrible at DEs and LBs. But now I suddenly am stocking up on them and I can't draft a WR at all, despite putting notable draft capital into that position.

Of course, a lot of success is finding one or two guys. I drafted Russell Wilson back when the Chiefs had no QB, and I drafted Travis Kelce and Alvin Kamara, which set those positions up for a decade. Having a few successes like that let me dump draft capital into other positions for a long time, but of course with mixed success. And when you put high picks into a guy who doesn't work out, it's a disaster, more so than I realize just watching the real guys do it. A missed 1st and 2nd round pick will kill you, and misses aren't uncommon.

I think a big thing is picking where we pick matters.

Finding a competent LT at the bottom of 1 or later was a 3-year exercise. Not easy and it took Raimann a couple of seasons to develop to boot. I chose not to trade for Orlando Brown Jr so I did it to myself and it proved to be harder than at first glance.

The other lesson I learned as recently as this past season was that taking DTs in round 1 is a pretty futile exercise. I've blown a few high picks on them now and it just isn't worth it. Take DTs in round 2 or later IMO.

Some positions I've found good players all over the draft like CB, S, and RB so I think you just pick the guy you like in the right spot when it presents itself and maybe not force anything there.

I haven't put much for resources into WR since I drafted Boyd 8 years ago in the high 2nd. Mostly 4th-7th round picks. Some have been fine like Gabe Davis. Others, not so much haha. Probably high time to start spending real resources there.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I think a big thing is picking where we pick matters.

Finding a competent LT at the bottom of 1 or later was a 3-year exercise. Not easy and it took Raimann a couple of seasons to develop to boot. I chose not to trade for Orlando Brown Jr so I did it to myself and it proved to be harder than at first glance.

The other lesson I learned as recently as this past season was that taking DTs in round 1 is a pretty futile exercise. I've blown a few high picks on them now and it just isn't worth it. Take DTs in round 2 or later IMO.

Some positions I've found good players all over the draft like CB, S, and RB so I think you just pick the guy you like in the right spot when it presents itself and maybe not force anything there.

I haven't put much for resources into WR since I drafted Boyd 8 years ago in the high 2nd. Mostly 4th-7th round picks. Some have been fine like Gabe Davis. Others, not so much haha. Probably high time to start spending real resources there.

I've found that as well. The Chiefs have seldom had a high pick in the 10+ years I've been doing this, and that makes some positions (QB and LT in particular) really hard to obtain. That's why I jumped on the Orlando Brown trade.

I'm going to be completely screwed when Russell Wilson retires, because that will mean that I'll have to find a franchise quarterback in the second round or later, and the Chiefs aren't going to be signing any big-name free agents at quarterback.

[Kellerfox]

About time to figure out what picks I have…

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

About time to figure out what picks I have…

Cool. Can you show your work to help the rest of us out? I've been busy with other life things recently.

[Kellerfox]

How have we handled comp picks in years past? Do we get them? Get them if we had the assumed departingplayer on our roster?

[Kellerfox]

I think this is our framework this year, but always appreciate my math being checked.

KC baseline Draft picks:

1-32
2-64
3-95
4-131
5-167
5-173 (comp pick)
6-208
7-252

Lose:
6-208 if you traded with the Raiders for DT N. Ferrel last year

Trade:
Gain 7-221 and TEN’s 2025 3rd for 7-252 and Snead

Gain:
5-159 if you executed the draft day trade with Dallas in 2023 (the Chiefs traded last years #178 for Dallas’ #159 this year)

Lose:
5-167 if you executed the draft day trade with Minnesota in 2023 (the Chiefs traded last years #132 and this years 5th for #119 last year which turned into Chammari Conner)

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

How have we handled comp picks in years past? Do we get them? Get them if we had the assumed departingplayer on our roster?

To keep it simple, we just assume that we get comp picks.

[Kellerfox]

I am trading Snead (I don’t really have a choice) so I think the Trash Pandas are looking at:

1-32
2-64
3-95
4-131
5-167
5-173
6-208
7-221

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

I think this is our framework this year, but always appreciate my math being checked.

KC baseline Draft picks:

1-32
2-64
3-95
4-131
5-167
5-173 (comp pick)
6-208
7-252

Lose:
6-208 if you traded with the Raiders for DT N. Ferrel last year

Trade:
Gain 7-221 and TEN’s 2025 3rd for 7-252 and Snead

Gain:
5-159 if you executed the draft day trade with Dallas in 2023 (the Chiefs traded last years #178 for Dallas’ #159 this year)

Lose:
5-167 if you executed the draft day trade with Minnesota in 2023 (the Chiefs traded last years #132 and this years 5th for #119 last year which turned into Chammari Conner)

Thanks for the work. So for me, it looks like...

I'll reject the trade for Neil Farrell, so I'll keep 6-208.

I don't have Sneed, so I'll keep the 7-252 pick and won't get the 7-221 pick.

I didn't have the #178 pick to trade last year, so I don't have the 5-159 pick this year.

I didn't make the Conner trade, so I keep the 5-167 pick.

So that means that my picks are:

1-32
2-64
3-95
4-131
5-167
5-173 (comp pick)
6-208
7-252

It looks like I'm making the baseline picks this year.

[kccrow]

I'll have the baseline picks pending whatever I decide to do with Sneed. I haven't made that decision just yet. I drafted him so I could keep him if I want to and he is my #1 CB with Adebo as the #2 and Murphy as the NB. I'd have Benford as a starter but that's a big drop from Sneed. I'm torn. I do like the press corners in this draft so I'm considering the pick next year as a positive.