BREAKING: Nick Foles starting against Jags

[carcosa]

According to Andy Reid's press conference, still ongoing:

https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityC...4631951288373/

[saphojunkie]

Sac hates Foles. I am no longer undecided. Like voting for very politician Brownback has come out against...

Foles baby. Bring him down.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Nick Foles?!

The same guy that couldn't beat out Sam Bradford or Casey Keenum?

Who the **** is this guy?

Does this mean that Bray is the backup?

Cmon man

We're just about to get on the roller coaster, enjoy the ride!

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's also the guy that did very well in Andy Reids offense. He could be a system qb. I doubt he's starter material. But lack of success in two completely different offenses doesn't necessarily mean anything

nor does 1 year of success prove anything

[BossChief]

Foles best year was under chip kelly

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's also the guy that did very well in Andy Reids offense. He could be a system qb. I doubt he's starter material. But lack of success in two completely different offenses doesn't necessarily mean anything

No he didn't.

People keep saying that, but his successful season was under Chip Kelly. Under Reid he was 1-5 with a 6-5 TD/INT and 6.4 Y/A. He was every bit the checkdown artist Smith is but added turnovers to boot.

There's very little evidence that he's capable of excelling in Reid's system. Hell, there's very little evidence he's capable of excelling at all; he fell to shit the year after his hot streak when the league caught onto Kelly's system.

[Anyong Bluth]

People should really read MN's post on Arrowhead Pride that breaks down Alex and Nick's performance from Sunday before you go slurping up the Kool-aid .

A large number of the people who want a change seem enamored with demanding the deep ball and need the sexy play to satiate their football consumption.

Foles isn't going to go deep more often, but he'll take shots further down the field on deep balls more than Alex.

[ptlyon]

He ha he said deep balls

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Foles isn't going to go deep more often, but he'll take shots further down the field on deep balls more than Alex.

This made my brain hurt.

So he's not going to go deep more often - but he'll take shots deeper down the field more often than Alex.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

This made my brain hurt.

So he's not going to go deep more often - but he'll take shots deeper down the field more often than Alex.

Just laugh at the deep balls part and move on

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

This made my brain hurt.

So he's not going to go deep more often - but he'll take shots deeper down the field more often than Alex.

It depends on how you define deep.

If it's 20ish yards, both Smith and Foles go that deep at roughly the same rates. In fact, Foles threw more fewer than 5 yards than Smith did. It's just that Foles depth of target on deep balls was deeper than Smith's was.

He's right; read the article. It's a very fair, evenhanded analysis.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

This made my brain hurt.

So he's not going to go deep more often - but he'll take shots deeper down the field more often than Alex.

Just reread it..... I get what you are saying now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Foles best year was under chip kelly

Roger. Good call.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

People should really read MN's post on Arrowhead Pride that breaks down Alex and Nick's performance from Sunday before you go slurping up the Kool-aid .

A large number of the people who want a change seem enamored with demanding the deep ball and need the sexy play to satiate their football consumption.

Foles isn't going to go deep more often, but he'll take shots further down the field on deep balls more than Alex.

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained. Surely you guys aren't actually this stupid. It's not about wanting a "sexy play" or wanting "fantasy football points".

The threat of downfield passing totally changes the way teams defend the Chiefs. If they have to respect deep passes, they can't key on the run game and short/screen passing game as easily. It's no different than the concept of running the ball to set up play action pass. I get that Clay doesn't necessarily present it that way, and that his machine gun posting style makes it difficult to see past his bullshit and recognize the bigger picture. But a deep passing threat blows this offense wide open, not just in terms of big plays, but also in the effectiveness of all the short high percentage stuff that Andy Reid loves.

Are people being intentionally obtuse? Or do they really not understand this?

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained. Surely you guys aren't actually this stupid. It's not about wanting a "sexy play" or wanting "fantasy football points".

The threat of downfield passing totally changes the way teams defend the Chiefs. If they have to respect deep passes, they can't key on the run game and short/screen passing game as easily. It's no different than the concept of running the ball to set up play action pass. I get that Clay doesn't necessarily present it that way, and that his machine gun posting style makes it difficult to see past his bullshit and recognize the bigger picture. But a deep passing threat blows this offense wide open, not just in terms of big plays, but also in the effectiveness of all the short high percentage stuff that Andy Reid loves.

Are people being intentionally obtuse? Or do they really not understand this?

They don't understand this. People are so afraid of a turnover because they are used to Smiff playing QB, who doesn't have an "attack" nature and just wants to make a few plays and not **** up. As a result, any turnover when running a conservative attack gets magnified.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained. Surely you guys aren't actually this stupid. It's not about wanting a "sexy play" or wanting "fantasy football points".

The threat of downfield passing totally changes the way teams defend the Chiefs. If they have to respect deep passes, they can't key on the run game and short/screen passing game as easily. It's no different than the concept of running the ball to set up play action pass. I get that Clay doesn't necessarily present it that way, and that his machine gun posting style makes it difficult to see past his bullshit and recognize the bigger picture. But a deep passing threat blows this offense wide open, not just in terms of big plays, but also in the effectiveness of all the short high percentage stuff that Andy Reid loves.

Are people being intentionally obtuse? Or do they really not understand this?

Well that's ironic.