Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 64

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

Kellerfox · 04-13-2023, 07:14 PM

(Pre-draft analysis. More seasoned players, feel free to call me out if I flubbed the rules. Note, listed teams might not be correct, I need to adjust on some players)

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Pre-draft Roster

QB:
Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs)
Carson Strong (Eagles)

RB:
Breece Hall (Jets)
Kenneth Gainwell (Eagles)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (Chiefs)

FB:

WR:
Skyy Moore (Chiefs - Drafted)
Marquez Valdes-Scantling (Chiefs*)
Frank Darby (Falcons)
Justyn Ross (Chiefs - Drafted)
Richie James (Chiefs*)

TE:
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Jody Fortson (Chiefs)

OT:
Orlando Brown Jr. (Chiefs*)
Jawaan Taylor (Chiefs*)
Darian Kinnard (Chiefs - Drafted)
Lucas Niang (Chiefs)
Geron Christian (Chiefs*)
Rasheed Walker (Packers)

OG:
Joe Thuney (Chiefs)
Trey Smith (Chiefs - Drafted)

OC:
Creed Humphrey (Chiefs - Drafted)
Nick Allegretti (Chiefs)

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DT:
Chris Jones (Chiefs)
Eric Johnson (Colts)
Derrick Nnadi (Chiefs)
Khyris Tonga (Bears)
Tershawn Wharton (Chiefs)
Byron Cowert (Chiefs*)

DE:
Carlos Basham Jr. (Bills)
George Karlaftis (Chiefs - Drafted)
Charles Omenihu (Chiefs*)
Frank Clark (Chiefs)
Mike Danna (Chiefs)

OLB:
Willie Gay Jr. (Chiefs)
Drue Tranquill (Chiefs*)
Leo Chanel (Chiefs - Drafted)
Elijah Lee (Chiefs*)

ILB:
Nakobe Dean (Eagles)
Jermaine Carter (Chiefs*)
Isaiah McDuffie (Packers)

CB:
L’Jarius Sneed (Chiefs)
Rashad Fenton (Chiefs)
Mike Hughes (Lions)
Tariq Castro-Fields (49ers)

FS:
Mike Edwards (Chiefs*)
Nick Cross (Colts)

SS:
Justin Reid (Chiefs*)
Deon Bush (Chiefs*)

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P:
Tommy Townsend (Chiefs)

K:
Harrison Butker (Chiefs)

LS:
James Winchester (Chiefs)

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FA’s Arriving:
Jawaan Taylor (Chiefs*)
Charles Omenihu (Chiefs*)
Drue Tranquill (Chiefs*)
Mike Edwards (Chiefs*)
Byron Cowert (Chiefs*)
Richie James (Chiefs*)

FA’s Departing (forced):
Michael Burton (Chiefs)
Mecole Hardman (Chiefs)
Andrew Wylie (Chiefs)
Derrick Nnadi (Chiefs)
Juan Thornhill (Chiefs)
Juju Smith Schuster (Chiefs*)
Justin Watson (Chiefs*)
Carlos Dunlap (Chiefs*)

Not trading / Cutting at this time, or elected to re-sign (I think I am eligible to keep all of these because they were not on my roster when I first started):

Justyn Ross (Chiefs - Drafted)
Orlando Brown Jr. (Chiefs*)
Geron Christian (Chiefs*)
Frank Clark (Chiefs)
Elijah Lee (Chiefs*)
Jermaine Carter (Chiefs*)
Rashad Fenton (Chiefs) - trade declined

kccrow · 04-13-2023, 08:19 PM

I'm not feeling much pressure this offseason.
Notes...
I'm still nervous with my OT situation but Raimann made some big strides at the end of last year at LT and so Taylor would be coming in a RT for me. I should address depth. The last thing I need is to whiff and end up with another G/C because I'm more than good on that front.
I have a good group of WRs but lack a true start/WR1 type.
I haven't exactly knocked it out of the park at DT lately. Madubuike and Seiler are a solid set of starters but whiffing on Blacklock and Nixon hurts. I need better depth at least.
I have holes at backup QB, 3rd RB, and FB (although I probably don't retain one and keep a guy elsewhere).
Other than that I'd feel like this roster is pretty much nails (toot toot).

These are my losses:
QB Chad Henne - Retired
RB Ronald Jones II - FA Loss
OT Geron Christian - Waived
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster - FA Loss
RT Andrew Wylie - FA Loss
FB Michael Burton - FA Loss
WR Justin Watson - FA Unsigned
DE Carlos Dunlap - FA Unsigned

Here's the roster as it stands:

Spoiler!

I'm also not accepting the trade for Toney so my draft picks will be:
1 31
2 63
3 95
3 100
4 134
5 166
6 209
6 217
7 249
7 250

kccrow · 04-13-2023, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

(Pre-draft analysis. More seasoned players, feel free to call me out if I flubbed the rules. Note, listed teams might not be correct, I need to adjust on some players)

Not trading / Cutting at this time, or elected to re-sign (I think I am eligible to keep all of these because they were not on my roster when I first started):

Juju Smith Schuster (Chiefs*)
Justyn Ross (Chiefs - Drafted)
Justin Watson (Chiefs*)
Orlando Brown Jr. (Chiefs*)
Geron Christian (Chiefs*)
Frank Clark (Chiefs)
Carlos Dunlap (Chiefs*)
Elijah Lee (Chiefs*)
Jermaine Carter (Chiefs*)
Rashad Fenton (Chiefs) - trade declined

From how it's been played, you can keep them if they were on your roster if they were either a draft pick you made or if they were cut or traded and you do not accept. Basically, if their contract expires and you didn't pick them then you lose them. You can ask Rainman to clarify if this off base.

So, you lose JuJu, OBj, Watson, and Dunlap for sure.
The Chiefs cut Christian, Clark, Lee, and Carter, and traded Fenton so they would be fair game to keep if you had them on your roster last year.
Ross was signed last year so unless you drafted him or kept him on your roster as a FA signing you can't pick him up now.

**Rain Man** · 04-13-2023, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

From how it's been played, you can keep them if they were on your roster if they were either a draft pick you made or if they were cut or traded and you do not accept. Basically, if their contract expires and you didn't pick them then you lose them. You can ask Rainman to clarify if this off base.

So, you lose JuJu, OBj, Watson, and Dunlap for sure.
The Chiefs cut Christian, Clark, Lee, and Carter, and traded Fenton so they would be fair game to keep if you had them on your roster last year.
Ross was signed last year so unless you drafted him or kept him on your roster as a FA signing you can't pick him up now.

Yep, this is the way I've always read it. You can only keep a guy if you drafted him, or if he's cut. Any other departures result in losing him.

You can add any guy to your roster that the Chiefs signed as a free agent after we did our final 53 cuts.

You can accept or reject any trades as long as you have the exact trade resources that were given up.

Kellerfox · 04-13-2023, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the clarification, I'll get it updated! About half that list falls off (Juju, Watson, and Dunlap) - and the other half (Christian, Lee, Carter, Fenton) are likely cuts for me post camp.

Confirming - do I/we lose OBJ since I/we spent draft picks to acquire him (via trade)?

Think the three of us as the current active owners are all on the same page now (minus my OBJ question above)… but it might be worth updating rule #3 in the OP for any future new owners as it can be interpreted to suggest that Chiefs FA acquisitions acquired after our first season can be retained.

kccrow · 04-14-2023, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Thanks for the clarification, I'll get it updated! About half that list falls off (Juju, Watson, and Dunlap) - and the other half (Christian, Lee, Carter, Fenton) are likely cuts for me post camp.

Confirming - do I/we lose OBJ since I/we spent draft picks to acquire him (via trade)?

Think the three of us as the current active owners are all on the same page now (minus my OBJ question above)… but it might be worth updating rule #3 in the OP for any future new owners as it can be interpreted to suggest that Chiefs FA acquisitions acquired after our first season can be retained.

My vote would be you should be able to retain if draft or player capital was used to obtain another player.

**Rain Man** · 04-14-2023, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

My vote would be you should be able to retain if draft or player capital was used to obtain another player.

I'm not sure what you mean.

We traded to get Orlando, but we could have chosen to reject that trade. Allowing him to leave as a free agent means we get no compensation. If they had cut him, we could vote to keep him instead. Am I missing some other nuance?

Kellerfox · 04-14-2023, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not sure what you mean.

We traded to get Orlando, but we could have chosen to reject that trade. Allowing him to leave as a free agent means we get no compensation. If they had cut him, we could vote to keep him instead. Am I missing some other nuance?

I think Crow was saying that you and I should be allowed to retain OBJ because we spent draft capital on him (making him the equivalent of a draft pick). [Crow can correct me if I am misinterpreting him]

I can read your post as being for or against that. Is your stance that you and I keep or lose OBJ?

Edit: this would be so much easier to hash out over a happy hour. It’s my stance that the NFL should be funding a Chiefs Planet Alternate Reality Game owners retreat once per quarter.

kccrow · 04-14-2023, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not sure what you mean.

We traded to get Orlando, but we could have chosen to reject that trade. Allowing him to leave as a free agent means we get no compensation. If they had cut him, we could vote to keep him instead. Am I missing some other nuance?

I was trying to convey that I would be in favor of you guys having the right to keep him instead of losing him as a free agent because draft capital was used to acquire him. If you had instead drafted a player directly in this game, even if KC also drafted him, he'd be yours forever until you decide you don't want him anymore, regardless of if the Chiefs let him go or not. The same would go for if you chose to trade for Toney instead of drafting guys in the 3rd and 6th, and so on. I just think we should allow players acquired via trade to be kept.

**Rain Man** · 04-27-2023, 06:30 PM

I dunno. I think we have to lose a player when he walks, regardless of how we got him. We know the risk when we make the trade.

If you both disagree, you can overrule me and we'll go with it. But my call would be that Brown walks just like he did with the Chiefs.

kccrow · 04-27-2023, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I dunno. I think we have to lose a player when he walks, regardless of how we got him. We know the risk when we make the trade.

If you both disagree, you can overrule me and we'll go with it. But my call would be that Brown walks just like he did with the Chiefs.

I dunno if I'd be happy applying that across the board, that's the thing. Like, if you happen to choose to draft the same player KC drafts and he walks, then what? I won't be happy losing Sneed if KC lets him walk because I made that pick. Hell, I might have made that pick earlier than the Chiefs did, I don't remember. But yeah, it's a very similar situation.

**Rain Man** · 04-28-2023, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

I dunno if I'd be happy applying that across the board, that's the thing. Like, if you happen to choose to draft the same player KC drafts and he walks, then what? I won't be happy losing Sneed if KC lets him walk because I made that pick. Hell, I might have made that pick earlier than the Chiefs did, I don't remember. But yeah, it's a very similar situation.

That's one structural weakness that I've never worried about. I didn't want to do the research to figure out which of my picks across the league walked in free agency versus being cut. So we can keep guys who were drafted on other teams regardless of what they do, whereas we've always cut Chiefs who walked. We had to cut the Chiefs early on when we were starting with their roster.

Now that the game is mature, I could see us stopping the rule for the Chiefs leaving. However, if we don't ever lose free agents, can we still pick them up when the Chiefs sign them? It seems like that's double-dipping, but then again my teams aren't really getting stronger over time from what I can tell.

So maybe we no longer lose free agents at all?

kccrow · 04-28-2023, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's one structural weakness that I've never worried about. I didn't want to do the research to figure out which of my picks across the league walked in free agency versus being cut. So we can keep guys who were drafted on other teams regardless of what they do, whereas we've always cut Chiefs who walked. We had to cut the Chiefs early on when we were starting with their roster.

Now that the game is mature, I could see us stopping the rule for the Chiefs leaving. However, if we don't ever lose free agents, can we still pick them up when the Chiefs sign them? It seems like that's double-dipping, but then again my teams aren't really getting stronger over time from what I can tell.

So maybe we no longer lose free agents at all?

No, I'd disagree with that.

I think if you spend draft capital (via trade or selection) on a player, you should have the right to make the decision on whether or not to keep him or let him go regardless of what team he is on. We don't lose guys we pick that jump to other teams, it should be no different if they are Chiefs.

I would argue to balance this, changing the rule about Chiefs' cuts. If you did not spend draft capital to acquire a player the Chiefs cut, then you should lose that player. Historically that's been an allowed keep (such as with Justin Houston, etc) since the rules have revolved around free agents that are allowed to just walk.

Kellerfox · 04-28-2023, 10:00 PM

(Apologies if my post comes across rude - not my intention. I standby my comment that our discussion would work so much better over an NFL sponsored owners retreat… or a good ole fashion happy hour)

So, as I relates to OBJ, I’m going to keep him and certainly won’t object if Rainman does as well. Re-reading your OP Rainman, the only potentially pertinent text/rule I see is “You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.” OBJ wasn’t on the Chiefs roster when I started, and I invested draft capital in acquiring him, so to me he fits the implied exclusion in that rule.

To me, he was a draft pick, and I was operating under the assumption at the time (based on my interpretation of the rules) that I would get to keep him even if he left. If I had understood the rules differently, I likely would have drafted a tackle instead of making the trade. Though admittedly, I probably would have taken Tevin Jenkins which would have been a huge flop lol.

As for the other potential adjustments… my vote would be for the following:

1. If you draft a player who was taken by a non-Chiefs team, you can keep them for perpetuity (perpetuity = until you decide to cut them or they retire).

2. If you draft a player who the Chiefs also take, you can also keep them for perpetuity.

Summary: if you draft a player, you keep them regardless.

3. If you trade for a player the Chiefs also trade for, and you use draft picks, you keep the incoming player for perpetuity (ex: our OBJ debate).

4. If you trade for a player the Chiefs trade for, but it’s a player-for-player swap, you lose the incoming player when they are cut or leave in FA (unless you actually drafted the departing player, ex: if the Chiefs traded Creed Humphrey for one year of Justin Jefferson and then let Jefferson walk, I could still keep Jefferson because I personally drafted Humphrey).

6. If a Chief who was on your roster at the start of the game departs (FA or cut) - you lose them.

7. If a Chiefs FA signing you add departs (FA or cut) - you lose them.

Summary: Easy come, easy go.

Aside from rebelling and keeping OBJ, I’m happy to play by whatever rules going forward. I greatly appreciate you orchestrating this game (and the MANY other contributions you make to this board Rainman). Let us know what you think the best rules are for the game at this stage, and I’ll duck in line!

kccrow · 04-29-2023, 10:01 PM

Chiefs Draft Day Trades
2-63, 4-122, 7-249 to DET for 2-55, 6-194
3-95, 6-217 to CIN for 3-92
4-134, 2024 5th to MIN for 4-119
6-178 to DAL for 2024 5th

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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04-13-2023, 07:14 PM	#946
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-59600	(Pre-draft analysis. More seasoned players, feel free to call me out if I flubbed the rules. Note, listed teams might not be correct, I need to adjust on some players) ———————— Pre-draft Roster QB: Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs) Carson Strong (Eagles) RB: Breece Hall (Jets) Kenneth Gainwell (Eagles) Clyde Edwards-Helaire (Chiefs) FB: WR: Skyy Moore (Chiefs - Drafted) Marquez Valdes-Scantling (Chiefs) Frank Darby (Falcons) Justyn Ross (Chiefs - Drafted) Richie James (Chiefs) TE: Travis Kelce (Chiefs) Jody Fortson (Chiefs) OT: Orlando Brown Jr. (Chiefs) Jawaan Taylor (Chiefs) Darian Kinnard (Chiefs - Drafted) Lucas Niang (Chiefs) Geron Christian (Chiefs) Rasheed Walker (Packers) OG: Joe Thuney (Chiefs) Trey Smith (Chiefs - Drafted) OC: Creed Humphrey (Chiefs - Drafted) Nick Allegretti (Chiefs) ———————- DT: Chris Jones (Chiefs) Eric Johnson (Colts) Derrick Nnadi (Chiefs) Khyris Tonga (Bears) Tershawn Wharton (Chiefs) Byron Cowert (Chiefs) DE: Carlos Basham Jr. (Bills) George Karlaftis (Chiefs - Drafted) Charles Omenihu (Chiefs) Frank Clark (Chiefs) Mike Danna (Chiefs) OLB: Willie Gay Jr. (Chiefs) Drue Tranquill (Chiefs) Leo Chanel (Chiefs - Drafted) Elijah Lee (Chiefs) ILB: Nakobe Dean (Eagles) Jermaine Carter (Chiefs) Isaiah McDuffie (Packers) CB: L’Jarius Sneed (Chiefs) Rashad Fenton (Chiefs) Mike Hughes (Lions) Tariq Castro-Fields (49ers) FS: Mike Edwards (Chiefs) Nick Cross (Colts) SS: Justin Reid (Chiefs) Deon Bush (Chiefs) ———————- P: Tommy Townsend (Chiefs) K: Harrison Butker (Chiefs) LS: James Winchester (Chiefs) ——————————- FA’s Arriving: Jawaan Taylor (Chiefs) Charles Omenihu (Chiefs) Drue Tranquill (Chiefs) Mike Edwards (Chiefs) Byron Cowert (Chiefs) Richie James (Chiefs) FA’s Departing (forced): Michael Burton (Chiefs) Mecole Hardman (Chiefs) Andrew Wylie (Chiefs) Derrick Nnadi (Chiefs) Juan Thornhill (Chiefs) Juju Smith Schuster (Chiefs) Justin Watson (Chiefs) Carlos Dunlap (Chiefs) Not trading / Cutting at this time, or elected to re-sign (I think I am eligible to keep all of these because they were not on my roster when I first started): Justyn Ross (Chiefs - Drafted) Orlando Brown Jr. (Chiefs) Geron Christian (Chiefs) Frank Clark (Chiefs) Elijah Lee (Chiefs) Jermaine Carter (Chiefs) Rashad Fenton (Chiefs) - trade declined Last edited by Kellerfox; 04-13-2023 at 10:47 PM..
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04-13-2023, 08:19 PM	#947
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $76403	I'm not feeling much pressure this offseason. Notes... I'm still nervous with my OT situation but Raimann made some big strides at the end of last year at LT and so Taylor would be coming in a RT for me. I should address depth. The last thing I need is to whiff and end up with another G/C because I'm more than good on that front. I have a good group of WRs but lack a true start/WR1 type. I haven't exactly knocked it out of the park at DT lately. Madubuike and Seiler are a solid set of starters but whiffing on Blacklock and Nixon hurts. I need better depth at least. I have holes at backup QB, 3rd RB, and FB (although I probably don't retain one and keep a guy elsewhere). Other than that I'd feel like this roster is pretty much nails (toot toot). These are my losses: QB Chad Henne - Retired RB Ronald Jones II - FA Loss OT Geron Christian - Waived WR JuJu Smith-Schuster - FA Loss RT Andrew Wylie - FA Loss FB Michael Burton - FA Loss WR Justin Watson - FA Unsigned DE Carlos Dunlap - FA Unsigned Here's the roster as it stands: Spoiler! QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC) RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (GB) RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL) TE Travis Kelce TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB) TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC) WR Donovan Peoples-Jones D5-177/20 (CLE) WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling KC FA/22 WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (CIN) WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (BUF) WR Justyn Ross D7-251/22 (KC) WR Richie James KC FA/23 LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND) LG Joe Thuney KC FA/21 OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO) RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC) RT Jawaan Taylor KC FA/23 OT Josh Ball D4-136/21 (DAL) OT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB) OL Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CHI) OL Bradley Bozeman D6-198/18 (CAR) OL Connor McGovern D4-126/16 (NYJ) DL Justin Madubuike D2-64/20 (BAL) DL Zach Sieler D7-219/18 (MIA) DL Ross Blacklock D1-32/20 (MIN) DL Daviyon Nixon D4-144/21 (CAR) DL Byron Cowart KC FA/23 DL Tershawn Wharton KC FA/20 ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (NE) ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC) ER Charles Omenihu KC FA/23 ER Ogbonnia Okoronkwo D5-159/18 (CLE) ER Jeffrey Gunter D7-243/22 (CIN) LB Cole Holcomb D5-167/19 (PIT) LB Logan Wilson D2-63/20 (CIN) LB Drue Tranquill KC FA/23 LB Leo Chenal D3-94/22 (KC) LB Isaiah McDuffie D6-208/21 (GB) CB L'Jarius Sneed D4-138/20 (KC) CB Paulson Adebo D2-63/21 (NO) CB Byron Murphy D1-29/19 (MIN) CB Christian Benford D5-173/22 (BUF) CB Nazeeh Johnson D7-259/22 (KC) DB Jessie Bates III D2-52/18 (ATL) DB Justin Reid KC FA/22 DB Amani Hooker D4-116/19 (TEN) DB Mike Edwards KC FA/23 DB Tarvarius Moore D3-86/18 (GB) SK Harrison Butker KC FA/17 SP Tommy Townsend KC FA/20 LS James Winchester I'm also not accepting the trade for Toney so my draft picks will be: 1 31 2 63 3 95 3 100 4 134 5 166 6 209 6 217 7 249 7 250
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04-13-2023, 10:27 PM	#950
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-59600	Thanks for the clarification, I'll get it updated! About half that list falls off (Juju, Watson, and Dunlap) - and the other half (Christian, Lee, Carter, Fenton) are likely cuts for me post camp. Confirming - do I/we lose OBJ since I/we spent draft picks to acquire him (via trade)? Think the three of us as the current active owners are all on the same page now (minus my OBJ question above)… but it might be worth updating rule #3 in the OP for any future new owners as it can be interpreted to suggest that Chiefs FA acquisitions acquired after our first season can be retained. Last edited by Kellerfox; 04-13-2023 at 11:02 PM..
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04-27-2023, 06:30 PM	#955
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	I dunno. I think we have to lose a player when he walks, regardless of how we got him. We know the risk when we make the trade. If you both disagree, you can overrule me and we'll go with it. But my call would be that Brown walks just like he did with the Chiefs. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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04-28-2023, 10:00 PM	#959
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-59600	(Apologies if my post comes across rude - not my intention. I standby my comment that our discussion would work so much better over an NFL sponsored owners retreat… or a good ole fashion happy hour) So, as I relates to OBJ, I’m going to keep him and certainly won’t object if Rainman does as well. Re-reading your OP Rainman, the only potentially pertinent text/rule I see is “You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.” OBJ wasn’t on the Chiefs roster when I started, and I invested draft capital in acquiring him, so to me he fits the implied exclusion in that rule. To me, he was a draft pick, and I was operating under the assumption at the time (based on my interpretation of the rules) that I would get to keep him even if he left. If I had understood the rules differently, I likely would have drafted a tackle instead of making the trade. Though admittedly, I probably would have taken Tevin Jenkins which would have been a huge flop lol. As for the other potential adjustments… my vote would be for the following: 1. If you draft a player who was taken by a non-Chiefs team, you can keep them for perpetuity (perpetuity = until you decide to cut them or they retire). 2. If you draft a player who the Chiefs also take, you can also keep them for perpetuity. Summary: if you draft a player, you keep them regardless. 3. If you trade for a player the Chiefs also trade for, and you use draft picks, you keep the incoming player for perpetuity (ex: our OBJ debate). 4. If you trade for a player the Chiefs trade for, but it’s a player-for-player swap, you lose the incoming player when they are cut or leave in FA (unless you actually drafted the departing player, ex: if the Chiefs traded Creed Humphrey for one year of Justin Jefferson and then let Jefferson walk, I could still keep Jefferson because I personally drafted Humphrey). 6. If a Chief who was on your roster at the start of the game departs (FA or cut) - you lose them. 7. If a Chiefs FA signing you add departs (FA or cut) - you lose them. Summary: Easy come, easy go. Aside from rebelling and keeping OBJ, I’m happy to play by whatever rules going forward. I greatly appreciate you orchestrating this game (and the MANY other contributions you make to this board Rainman). Let us know what you think the best rules are for the game at this stage, and I’ll duck in line!
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04-29-2023, 10:01 PM	#960
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $76403	Chiefs Draft Day Trades 2-63, 4-122, 7-249 to DET for 2-55, 6-194 3-95, 6-217 to CIN for 3-92 4-134, 2024 5th to MIN for 4-119 6-178 to DAL for 2024 5th
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