Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

I'm still new... But two drafts in not a lot to hang my hat on!

Humprhey and Smith were good grabs. Tonga is at least a solid rotational NT.

I think you're going to have a much better 2022 draft though.

Breece Hall looked really good before he got hurt.
Karlaftis is going to be good, I think.
Moore, we'll get a read on him next year.
Travis Jones looked better and better as the year rolled along. I think he's going to be quite good for you as he gets more experienced.
Cross got a couple starts this year. Give him some time, he might turn out.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I wish everyone would participate in this. It's a battle to succeed and it's eye-opening about how hard it is to draft well. I was better than Scott Pioli, but I'm not nearly as good as Brett Veach.

There's at least a handful of guys in the draft forum I wish would join in on this. It'd be pretty cool IMO.

[kccrow]

Rainman, your inability to fix the DT spot is going toe-to-toe with mine hahaha.

You might need to swing for the fences at LB a couple of times.

Fix your QB spot and get those 2 things up to snuff and I think you'll be right back on track.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Rainman, your inability to fix the DT spot is going toe-to-toe with mine hahaha.

You might need to swing for the fences at LB a couple of times.

Fix your QB spot and get those 2 things up to snuff and I think you'll be right back on track.

It's actually never been a problem in the past. I'd drafted Star Lotolelei and Brandon Williams and Andrew Billings many years ago, and had some other spot players who were good backups. But then everyone aged out all at once, and I cut Brandon in preseason when I thought he was out of football. The cupboard went bare fast.

[Rain Man]

My draft needs this year are:

1. Quarterback. I'm screwed.
2. Defensive tackle
3. Outside linebacker.
4. Cornerback
5. Maybe inside linebacker if Dean doesn't step up.
6. Wide receiver.

I have a lot of holes to fill this year. Hopefully the Chiefs pick up some free agents in these areas to help me out.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

My draft needs this year are:

1. Quarterback. I'm screwed.
2. Defensive tackle
3. Outside linebacker.
4. Cornerback
5. Maybe inside linebacker if Dean doesn't step up.
6. Wide receiver.

I have a lot of holes to fill this year. Hopefully the Chiefs pick up some free agents in these areas to help me out.

On #1 I'd say maybe, maybe not.

Maybe Sean Payton works some magic with Russ (doubtful) but that said...

If Hendon Hooker is within range, that's the guy I'd take a huge swing on. All 4 years he got snaps he was over 60% completion percentage and that grew each year to 68 and almost 70% the past 2 years as a starter. He's had a combined 5 Ints over the past 2 years. He's athletic. He can make all the throws. He's 25 but he just might be the best QB in the draft if not for that ACL tear. Age works against him more than injury IMO.

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's geared hard towards draft eval.

That's one thing I don't spend any time or energy on. I have no interest in the college game or trying to follow players at that level. After the super bowl, I'll start reading mock drafts and such to try to get an idea of who I'd like to see the Chiefs take a shot on in the first or second rounds but after that I have no preferences or clues.

So this is probably not the fantasy game for me.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

That's one thing I don't spend any time or energy on. I have no interest in the college game or trying to follow players at that level. After the super bowl, I'll start reading mock drafts and such to try to get an idea of who I'd like to see the Chiefs take a shot on in the first or second rounds but after that I have no preferences or clues.

So this is probably not the fantasy game for me.

I get that.

I'll note, though, that I started this in part to see if I could outperform the then-Chiefs management team with only a single draft magazine. I don't follow college football at all.

But I find it fun to start reading about the players pre-draft and make my picks. It's kind of addictive once your team differentiates from the real Chiefs.

[kccrow]

2023 Draft Selections:

1-31
2-63
3-95
3-100. (JC2A Comp - Poles) You keep this pick if you choose not to trade for WR Kadarius Toney
4-122. (f/MIA) You receive this pick if you had Tyreek Hill on your roster and elected to trade him prior to the 2022 draft.
4-134.
5-166.
6-178. (f/CHI via MIA) You receive this pick if you had Tyreek Hill on your roster and elected to trade him prior to the 2022 draft.
6-209. You keep this pick if you choose not to trade for WR Kadarius Toney
6-217. (Comp)
7-249.
7-250. (Comp)

[chiefscafan]

Ok guess I’m taking draft

chiefs last two drafts and I’m accepting trade for Toney

Updating will take some time probably after draft but I’ll accept on Chief trades. And comp picks.

Ok my drafts since 2015:



2015 Draft:

1-18: OLB Bud Dupree Kentucky

2-49: OG. Ali Marpet Hobart

Don't do trade up in third

3-80: WR. Ty Montgomery Stanford

3-98: QB Bryce Petty Baylor

4-117: WR Dandre Smelter Georgia Tech

Accept Ben Grubs Trade

5-172: DE/DT Michael Bennett Ohio State

5-173: DE Anthony Chickillo Miami

6-200: DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches Southern Miss

6-217: WR Austin Hill Arizona

7-233: OT La'el Collins LSU

Draft 2016

1-28 (28th): Myles Jack ILB/OLB UCLA

3-11 (74th): Kivaree Russel CB Notre Dame

4-8 (106th): Eric Muarry CB/S Minnesota

4-28 (126th): Demarcus Robinson WR Florida

5-25 (162nd): Kevin Hogan QB Stanford

5-28 (165th): Kyle Murphy OT Stanford

6-28 (203rd): Mike Thomas WR Southern Miss

7-28 (249th: Vernon Adams QB Oregon


Ok. LA Cobras draft 2017

We accept A and B trade reject C and TE wasn't on our team


1st: QB: Pat Mahomes Texas Tech

2nd: DE: Tanoh Kpassagnon Villanova

3rd: RB: Kareem Hunt Toledo

5th: DT: Caleb Brantley Florida

5th: WR: Robert Davis Georgia State

6th: WR: Gabe Marks Washington State

6th: OT:Chad Wheeler USC


2018 Draft

2:52: Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn

3:86: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama

4:122: Maurice Hurst , NT, Michigan

5:159: Kyle Fitts, DE, Utah

6:196: Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas

6:209: Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama

7:233: Jordan Mailata, OT, Australia ����

7:240: Will Clapp, OC, LSU

7:243: Hercules Mata’afa, DT/DE\OLB, Washington State


2019 draft

2019 2 Mecole Hardman WR

2019 2 Juan Thornhill. S CB

2019 3 Khalen Saunders DT

2019 6 Rashad Fenton. CB

2019 6 Darwin Thompson. RB

2019 7 Nick Allegretti. OG

Draft 2020

1:32. Ross Blacklock DT TCU

2:63. Logan Wilson. ILB. Wyoming

3:98. Lucas. Niang OT TCU

4:138. LJarus Sneed S/cb

5:177. Mike Danna. DE. Michigan

6:211. KJ Hill. WR. Ohio State

7: 237. Bo Pete Keyes CB. Tulane

7:246. Thaddeus Moss. TE LSU


Draft 2021:


2 Nick Bolton 58 LB Missouri

2 Creed Humphrey 63 OL Oklahoma

4 Joshua Kaindoh 144 DE Florida St.

5 Noah Gray 162 TE Duke

5 Cornell Powell 181 WR Clemson

6 Trey Smith 226 OL Tennessee


NFL Draft 2022:

Wow a lot to figure out all picks are authentic never had Tyreek .


Round 1, Pick No. 30: George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue

Round 2, Pick No. 62: Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati

Round 3, pick No. 94: Nick Cross , S , Maryland

Round 3, Pick No. 103: Leo Chanel, LB, Wisconsin

Round 4, Pick No. 135: Joshua Williams, CB, Fayetteville State

Round 5, Pick No. 145: Darian Kinnard, G, Kentucky

Round 7, Pick No. 243: Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Round 7, Pick No. 251: Isiah Pacheco, RB, Rutgers

Round 7, Pick No. 259: Nazeeh Johnson, CB, Marshall



NFL Draft 2023:


1-31:

2-63:

3-95:

4-133:


5-166:


6-217 (comp):

7-249:

7-250 (comp):

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Subject to an update on numbers but I think they are correct...

1-31
2-63
3-95
3-100 (comp) You keep this pick if you choose not to trade for WR Kadarius Toney
4-123 You receive this pick if you had Tyreek Hill on your roster and elected to trade him prior to the 2022 draft.
4-133
5-166
6-198 You receive this pick if you had Tyreek Hill on your roster and elected to trade him prior to the 2022 draft.
6-208 - You keep this pick if you choose not to trade for WR Kadarius Toney
6-217 (comp)
7-249
7-250 (comp)

Thank you, sir! These always take a bit of work to figure out.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Thank you, sir! These always take a bit of work to figure out.

No problem. I updated the listing to the numbers from NFL.com so they are accurate now.

[Kellerfox]

I asked ChatGPT to write a 2023 press release for the Tacoma Trash Pandas…


(Tacoma, WA) - The Tacoma Trash Pandas are proud to celebrate their third year as an NFL expansion franchise. Since its inception, the team has been backed by a core investment group led by MacKenzie Scott, Bill Gates, Tony Parker, and the estate of late rapper DMX.

The ownership group's commitment to spurring economic development and opportunity in Tacoma has resulted in the team becoming a beloved fixture in the city's cultural landscape. Their fan favorite logo is a staple on cars and billboards across the metro. The Trash Pandas have not only brought a new level of excitement and passion to the NFL, but they've also had a significant impact on the local community.

Thanks to the generous contributions of Scott and Gates, the team's state-of-the-art stadium was built entirely through private funding. This investment has not only provided a world-class facility for the team but has also created new job opportunities and economic growth in the region. As a direct result of this private investment, Tacoma is seeing a boost in population growth and was recently identified by Forbes as one of America’s best cities for relocation.

In addition to their philanthropic efforts, the ownership group's commitment to excellence has translated to the field, with the team enjoying a successful run in the NFL. Under the guidance of General Manager Kellerfox, the Trash Pandas have built a unique roster that has captured the attention of football fans across the country.

As the team enters its third year, the ownership group remains committed to driving positive change in the Tacoma community and continuing the Trash Pandas' success on the field. Fans can look forward to another exciting season of Trash Pandas football and continued investment in the city of Tacoma.

[Kellerfox]

Here is a ChatGPT pre-draft assessment from the perspective of a beat writer…

(Tacoma, WA) - With the NFL draft quickly approaching, fans of the Tacoma Trash Pandas are eagerly anticipating what General Manager Kellerfox has in store for the team. After a successful season that saw the Trash Pandas establish themselves as a competitive force in the league, the team's biggest needs heading into the draft are at wide receiver, offensive tackle, linebacker, cornerback, and safety.

At wide receiver, the team is thin after trading Tyreek Hiil away last season. They desperately needs a playmaker who can take some of the pressure off Mahomes and make plays downfield. With several talented receivers available in the draft, it's essential that the Trash Pandas select a player who can make an immediate impact and help the team take the next step towards playoff contention.

On the offensive line, the Trash Pandas need to address their need at tackle, where they lack depth and talent. Protecting quarterback Patrick Mahomes is paramount, and the team needs to invest in an offensive tackle who can anchor the line and keep Mahomes upright. With several top prospects available in the draft, the Trash Pandas should look to address this need early on and solidify their offensive line for years to come.

At linebacker, the Trash Pandas need to find a player who can fill the void left by the departure of veteran Anthony Hitchens. While the team has some promising young talent at the position, they lack a true standout player who can make plays in both the run and pass game. With several talented linebackers available in the draft, the Trash Pandas should look to address this need and add a player who can make an immediate impact on defense.

In the secondary, the Trash Pandas need to add depth at both cornerback and safety. While the team has some talented players at these positions, injuries and lack of experience have been a concern in recent seasons. With several top prospects available in the draft, the Trash Pandas should look to add depth and talent to their secondary and give defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo the tools he needs to craft a dominant defense.

Overall, the Trash Pandas have some critical needs heading into the draft, but with a solid roster and talented coaching staff, the team is well-positioned to make some smart moves and continue their upward trajectory. Fans can look forward to seeing what GM Kellerfox and the Trash Pandas have in store come draft day.

[Kellerfox]

I am NOT trading for Toney (I want to, but I need to diversify my roster further from the Chiefs to maximize enjoyment of this game)

Tacoma Trash Panda 2023 Draft Picks:

1-31
2-63
3-95
3-100
4-122
4-134
5-166
6-178
6-209
6-217
7-249
7-250