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Old 02-09-2025, 08:08 PM  
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Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect
I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen
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Old 02-13-2025, 02:40 PM   #901
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They still have Chris Jones for a couple more years, Trent, Karlaftis and will likely keep Bolton.

Nobody is saying not to put resources into the defense. They need use this draft for the offense like what the used the 2022 draft for the defense
You started a thread entitled "trade whatever possible for a LT prospect".

Are you saying you're not saying that anymore?
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Old 02-13-2025, 02:42 PM   #902
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Pretty sure our 1st, 3rd, and 2026 1st could get us to around 15. I know you'll say that picking players around 15 isn't really any different than players taken late in the 1st, but just hear me out. I have no clue who they like yet or what their grades will be on specific players, but let's say they like Conerly and/or Ersery and see them as a long term solution but that they will also need some development time this season. You wouldn't do that? That's not "more than we gave up to get Mahomes".

I think this claim that draft picks taken at OT outside of the top 10 are no different than those taken late 1st or the 2nd is disengenuous. You probably could make the claim that WRs taken late 1st are not much better than those taken in the 2nd/3rd round, but that didn't stop KC from trading up for someone like Worthy. KC clearly liked Worthy and they went and got him, end of story. Will he end up being significantly better or even better at all than McConkey? Maybe not, but they found their guy and made the move. Why would they not take that same stance at LT if they identify a specific player that is the most likely to succeed here and provide a solution for our line problems?

Doing a bit of analysis where starting left tackles come from, yes they absolutely generally come from the top 10 for the most part. You have a handful of decent looking tackles that have been taken outside of the top 10 like Tristan Wirfs, Kolton Miller, Garrett Bolles, Taylor Decker, and Christian Darrisaw. I'm guessing Mims in Cincy may eventually join that list. DJ Humphries was a good left tackle for a while (when healthy), he was taken 24th.

Starting left tackles taken outside the 1st include Dawkins, Mailata, Armstead, Raimann, Walker, Coleman, and Little.

So outside of taking a left tackle top 10 where they are the most likely to be a sure thing, the highest concentration of starting left tackles in a particular part of the draft is those taken from around the 13-25 range of rd 1. Then you have a handful of decent or promising left tackles taken in the 2nd/3rd or the 7th. There don't really appear to be much in the way of left tackles taken currently in the 4-6 rd range.

So again, I would argue that a tackle taken in the 13-25 range of the 1st rd absolutely does have a higher chance of developing than someone in the 2nd-3rd rd.
And it still doesn't address the position in 2025, which is the entire premise of this thread.
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Old 02-13-2025, 02:45 PM   #903
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I liked the part where our OL gave up zero sacks to a stacked Eagles defense in a Super Bowl and put up 38 points.
The field conditions had something to do with that. Players on both sides were on skates. Had these games been switched it would have made more sense.
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PFF has Cam Robinson projected for $18.75M/yr over 3 years.

Yeah I’d do that. Backload it to the 3rd year with a clean way out and we good
If he signs for that great. I will bet he doesn't.
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The GM prior to Beane had a hell of a draft in 2017.

Grabbed the Left Tackle Dion Dawkins with a 3rd round pick a year before they drafted Josh.


We haven't hit on any of the tackles we drafted in the last 7 years.
Last 7 years? Try 11 years.

I know this isn’t the primary point of this thread, but the fact that Andy Heck doesn’t get more criticism and somehow isn’t in the hot seat is really surprising to me. I understand LT is hard to find. How about a RT? Shouldn’t be nearly that hard to find a single damn tackle of any kind. I’m sure the blame is shared between the scouting department and coaching but regardless of who is the primary culprit that is simply inexcusable.
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Last 7 years? Try 11 years.

I know this isn’t the primary point of this thread, but the fact that Andy Heck doesn’t get more criticism and somehow isn’t in the hot seat is really surprising to me. I understand LT is hard to find. How about a RT? Shouldn’t be nearly that hard to find a single damn tackle of any kind. I’m sure the blame is shared between the scouting department and coaching but regardless of who is the primary culprit that is simply inexcusable.
The offensive coaching staff needs an overhaul. It won't happen but it needs to.
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And it still doesn't address the position in 2025, which is the entire premise of this thread.
It’s more palatable IMO to deal with subpar play if you at least have some hope on the horizon. As i’ve stated before, sign Humphries or Jedrick Wills and add someone like Conerly/Ersery. You’re set for 2025 and have competition and multiple options to ideally have answers at potentially both LT and RT in 2026 and beyond.
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It’s more palatable IMO to deal with subpar play if you at least have some hope on the horizon. As i’ve stated before, sign Humphries or Jedrick Wills and add someone like Conerly/Ersery. You’re set for 2025 and have competition and multiple options to ideally have answers at potentially both LT and RT in 2026 and beyond.
I like Conerly. He's a little undersized but performed very well in a tough conference. I also think he's a guy that you could potentially get without trading a whole bunch.

Personally, I'm with you. Sign a cheap vet and draft a guy, maybe 2. Let them all compete, along with Kingsley, for a job. See what shakes out.

I'm just not keen on shelling out major resources for mediocrity, or worse.
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7 years? 11 years? The Chiefs didn't even have a need at OT until after the Bucs SB. They had both OTs fall apart in the same season, and at ages where you aren't necessarily expecting it. Eric Fisher was in the same ****ing draft class as Lane Johnson.

The OT discourse is so reminiscent of the WR discourse.
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7 years? 11 yesrs? The Chiefs didn't even have a need at OT until after the Bucs SB. They had both OTs fall apart in the same season, and at ages where you aren't necessarily expecting it. Eric Fisher was in the same ****ing draft class as Lane Johnson.

The OT discourse is so reminiscent of the WR discourse.
Or reminiscent of the OT discourse we've had pretty much every year since Fisher and Schwartz went down.

Nothing being said right now is any different than 2 years ago or 4 years ago. We are still looking and we are still drafting in the 30's every year
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7 years? 11 years? The Chiefs didn't even have a need at OT until after the Bucs SB. They had both OTs fall apart in the same season, and at ages where you aren't necessarily expecting it. Eric Fisher was in the same ****ing draft class as Lane Johnson.

The OT discourse is so reminiscent of the WR discourse.
Bad luck for Kansas City at this LT spot, that's for sure.
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Or reminiscent of the OT discourse we've had pretty much every year since Fisher and Schwartz went down.

Nothing being said right now is any different than 2 years ago or 4 years ago. We are still looking and we are still drafting in the 30's every year
Yes, but you would think there's been a lot of investment through the draft when people are complaining about development when there just hasn't. Before last year, they hadn't spent more than a late 3rd. When you take a T that late, you might be hoping for a starter, but that's swing T territory.

Kingsley is the only significant investment, everybody knew he needed development, and it's been just 1 year.
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The field conditions had something to do with that. Players on both sides were on skates. Had these games been switched it would have made more sense.

Doesn't change the fact that the OL with Orlando Brown Jr at LT was the #1 offense in 2022 in Points Per Play.

This year we were 14th. Barely ahead of Indy who had a raw QB struggling to find himself.
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Bad luck for Kansas City at this LT spot, that's for sure.
Eric Fisher could still be their left tackle without the cascade of injuries that started with him in the AFC Championship Game vs Buffalo.
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