New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Mizzou isn't voting no. This is a best of both worlds. You get Texas and its prestige and access to the benefits it provides as a conference member... but you get them in a conference that is so big and nasty by itself, it can tell UT to eff off and go away if they don't like things.



This is why we left when we could. The Big 12 was never going to be viable because Texas was always going to do this (Just a matter of whether it was SEC, B1G, or PAC). Mizzou jumped to secure a place in what would be one of the survivors of the final round of conference jumping.

I/we took a lot of shit in 2011. But it was all in anticipation of this.

Exactly.

All the talk from the Big XII at the time was “The Big XII isn’t unstable. Texas and Oklahoma aren’t going anywhere. The Big XII is going to expand and get a tv network that will bring in huge revenues too. Everything is fine.” It was forward-thinking of the four schools that left to make sure they got off that train before the last stop.

If Mizzou had stayed on the basis of that nonsense, as well as the loyalty and tradition nonsense Beebe and others were blowing, where would we find ourselves today, especially with both the football and basketball programs down right now? Not a pleasant thought.

Leaving our fate in the hands of UT and OU, and their puppets running the Big XII would have been utterly foolish, and it’s been proved out now.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Texas will now have been in both the Southwest and Southeast conference.

You cannot have it both ways.

Well, Texas is definitely 'south' and when you look at a map, it's essentially equidistant to either coast.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Mizzou isn't voting no. This is a best of both worlds. You get Texas and its prestige and access to the benefits it provides as a conference member... but you get them in a conference that is so big and nasty by itself, it can tell UT to eff off and go away if they don't like things.



This is why we left when we could. The Big 12 was never going to be viable because Texas was always going to do this (Just a matter of whether it was SEC, B1G, or PAC). Mizzou jumped to secure a place in what would be one of the survivors of the final round of conference jumping.

I/we took a lot of shit in 2011. But it was all in anticipation of this.

Yeah remember Nebraska left because they couldnt beat Texas

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by MMXcalibur

**** Texas and their goofy channel that only exists so the university can hype up a shitty game vs Rice in early September.

Why do people bash Tex but not OU? They’re both moving. Why is one worst than the other? Never understood the hate for either, they’re simply doing what any of the Rump schools they ditched would do.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah remember Nebraska left because they couldnt beat Texas

I remember Nubs blaming Texas for removing the partial qualifiers which wrecked your program. A situation that hasn’t improved in your new digs and likely never will.

[Pants]

I don't see B1G wanting Kansas.

I think the most likely scenario is the BIG 12 trying to add some more schools and crossing their fingers they remain a P5 conference.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Pants

I don't see B1G wanting Kansas.

I think the most likely scenario is the BIG 12 trying to add some more schools and crossing their fingers they remain a P5 conference.

Unless thrown a bone I can't see how they remain a P5 conference from a football perspective. Just no elite FB programs left after UT and OU depart.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why do people bash Tex but not OU? They’re both moving. Why is one worst than the other? Never understood the hate for either, they’re simply doing what any of the Rump schools they ditched would do.



I remember Nubs blaming Texas for removing the partial qualifiers which wrecked your program. A situation that hasn’t improved in your new digs and likely never will.

UT's driving this train for sure. Pretty sure OU would not be moving if not for UT. The fact Texas was the main culprit behind the destruction of the SWC and now possibly the Big 12, they deserve more anger. Not blaming them from doing what they feel is best for their program, but I can see why others would be angry.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Unless thrown a bone I can't see how they remain a P5 conference from a football perspective. Just no elite FB programs left after UT and OU depart.

UT hasn't been an elite program for a decade.

OU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, WVU, and TCU have had years when they were elite during that time span.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Pants

UT hasn't been an elite program for a decade.

OU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, WVU, and TCU have had years when they were elite during that time span.

True on all, but Texas and Oklahoma have enough pull to keep that conference as a P5. No other program in that league can do that. Perhaps some could go to the AAC and give them the bump needed to replace the Big 12 as a P5.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by tredadda

UT's driving this train for sure. Pretty sure OU would not be moving if not for UT.

If you’re sure, let’s see your evidence.

The fact Texas was the main culprit behind the destruction of the SWC and now possibly the Big 12, they deserve more anger. Not blaming them from doing what they feel is best for their program, but I can see why others would be angry.

Arkansas bailed on the SWC. Blame them. And anyway, things happening 30 years ago in a completely diff industry really have zero bearing on today.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by morphius

I'm looking forward to them continuing their fall to mediocrity and losing their special channel.

Not sure why the big 12 allowed them so much influence.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why do people bash Tex but not OU? They’re both moving. Why is one worst than the other? Never understood the hate for either, they’re simply doing what any of the Rump schools they ditched would do.



I remember Nubs blaming Texas for removing the partial qualifiers which wrecked your program. A situation that hasn’t improved in your new digs and likely never will.

You guys sucked Texas cock for decades now and they still left you out in the cold. Shame.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

You guys sucked Texas cock for decades now and they still left you out in the cold. Shame.

The 25 year run Kansas basketball had, being in league with Texas, was simply glorious. They paid us a shit ton of their (well earned) FB money and we won more games and more NCAAT games than anyone. Their fans are cool, and they’ve got a real “KU vibe” to them that you (frankly) don’t possess.


I wish em well, and the Rump schools should as well. If KSU really thinks about all the subsidies they got from Texas, they’d rename their palatial FB digs “DeLoss Dodds Family Stadiun”

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The 25 year run Kansas basketball had, being in league with Texas, was simply glorious. They paid us a shit ton of their (well earned) FB money and we won more games and more NCAAT games than anyone. Their fans are cool, and they’ve got a real “KU vibe” to them that you (frankly) don’t possess.


I wish em well, and the Rump schools should as well. If KSU really thinks about all the subsidies they got from Texas, they’d rename their palatial FB digs “DeLoss Dodds Family Stadiun”

That 25 year success in basketball means so much that KU is about to play in a midcon

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

That 25 year success in basketball means so much that KU is about to play in a midcon

KU fans don't care about football anyway, I mean, not really. If we were MTN WEST for Football and Big East for basketball I wouldn't even care. Big East is a major in bball.

UCONN
Villanova
Georgetown
Marquette
Seton Hall
Xavier

legit basketball conference.