*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was goddamn stupid as hell and I have nothing more to add.

Good luck with hoping this guy does something that literally nobody in the history of the league has ever done - come back from a blown patella to be an effective staring tackle.

It's literally never happened.

But hey, super double grafts for the win, right?!?

DJ is usually right so I trust his opinion. Bad move.

[Sassy Squatch]

Mahomes seems to be VERY happy with the pick. Hope they didn't whistle past the graveyard just to appease him on this.

[Deberg_1990]

I like it. The Chiefs can nurse him along slowly this year and basically red shirt him if need be.

[TRR]

Won’t play a down in 2025. We’ll see him in St Joe in 2026 competing with Moore for reps or at RT. Glad we didn’t trade up for him but way too many holes and talent at #32 to take someone that essentially wastes year one on IR and I can’t stand the maturity issue reports I hear about him.

I feel as excited about this pick as I did the Felix pick.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Hawks

Just not a fan of taking someone in the first round who won't help us next year.

Ever.

He will help us...never.

And I only say that because nobody that's suffered this injury ever has. At least not on the OL.

It's beyond reckless. It's just ****ing stupid.

[DrRyan]

I've never wanted to be more wrong. Please be the torn patellar unicorn.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

I understand the pick and don't mind it.

However, there were other good players available. Not like it was either Simmons or Shadeur. Burden and Henderson could make the offense more explosive. This pick is more of a high ceiling pick if it works out.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Mahomes seems to be VERY happy with the pick. Hope they didn't whistle past the graveyard just to appease him on this.

Mahomes was happy with CEH. Just saying.

[TwistedChief]

Veach and Reid meet Crow and DJLN in a cage match. Rick Burkholder as the ref.

This thread is going to be in the HOC by the time it's all said and done. I love it.

[SAGA45]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You guys please just give it a chance and trust these guys.

Props to you man. You've been trying for WEEKS to mentally prepare everyone for KC drafting Simmons...both here and the draft forum. Good stuff

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia

Mahomes was happy with CEH. Just saying.

I know.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Not THIS injury. The history is really, really bad.

I'm going to be hopeful as hell. But I don't expect this kid to return to form, there's just not any history of that with this thing.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

Let’s go ahead and print that study off so Rickey Burkholder can wipe his ass with it.

[duncan_idaho]

**** my life.

I will hope this works out and they're right and he's the unicorn.

But this seems like a desperate move, the type of shit dumb franchises do. I guess we're a dumb franchise now.