Dee Ford

[Buzz]

Did the guy even touch the field today? Kinda like last week, dude is a ghost. First round pick should be playing some snaps, what the heck?

[carcosa]

With 100% of my heart and soul, I wish we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Which is why the first pick in the draft isn't cut much slack.

When two guards fail horribly, YOU give up the sack, the best that can be said is your failure is less than theirs...

I hated the pick. I still despise it.

But that's not what's being argued here. There are people so irrationally negative that there were actually comments that Fisher would be out of a job in a few years. And that his Paris Harrelson disaster last year was who he is as a player. And then to back it up, they'll talk about 2 or 3 players where a mistake was made.

That's not commenting on the pick or living up to the pick. It was a stupid pick and he'll never live up to it. Nobody calls out people who judge a player way too early in their career which happens all the time.

[OldSchool]

Who wants to bet that Dorsey lets Bailey walk and takes a 5-tech with our 1st pick?

Well, not that Bailey is a huge loss, it'll just be funny to see people shit themselves over another high 1st round DL player.

[Mr. Laz]

I saw Ford shy away from contact on a sweep. He might have been able to get a piece of the runner and he stopped.

very disappointing

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by carcosa

With 100% of my heart and soul, I wish we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.

Because he beat out Matt Cassel for the starting role so . . . Oh wait.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Who wants to bet that Dorsey lets Bailey walk and takes a 5-tech with our 1st pick?

Well, not that Bailey is a huge loss, it'll just be funny to see people shit themselves over another high 1st round DL player.

I'm sure this board will celebrate it because we need a DL and it's safe so the guy is more NFL ready. And then bitch about it because it was too safe and we should have taken a chance on a high positional value player. And then full circle.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Who wants to bet that Dorsey lets Bailey walk and takes a 5-tech with our 1st pick?

Well, not that Bailey is a huge loss, it'll just be funny to see people shit themselves over another high 1st round DL player.

you just love to have a shitty franchise to root for dont ya?

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I saw Ford shy away from contact on a sweep. He might have been able to get a piece of the runner and he stopped.

very disappointing

And people still defend him.

Ford sucks and there's a reason why, despite having the first step required to be a dominant pass rusher in college, he was regarded as a late day 2 pick before the Senior Bowl happened. He feasted on blockers in the Senior Bowl because the count was very easy to predict so he always got a good jump.

We got ****en hoodwinked.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Fisher didn't give up a sack though. He gave up a hit to Ware, but not a sack.

I stand corrected.

It would have been a sack if not for the penalty.

Point is this type of thing happens an insane number of snaps per game. Dark-Sith-Clathon-Rex could spend all day creating gifs showing two lineman just getting abused on MOST plays.

Fisher has improved. He definitely has. And that's even more impressive considering his recent shoulder surgery. But it seems greater that what it truly is because there's 3 other guys taking turns failing horribly worse on every play...

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm sure this board will celebrate it because we need a DL and it's safe so the guy is more NFL ready. And then bitch about it because it was too safe and we should have taken a chance on a high positional value player. And then full circle.

And if he turns out to be like Wilkerson, Jordan, or Watt as a 5-tech?

There are two players who might end up being special at the position:

Shawn Oakman and Leonard Williams.

Williams is the power guy with some explosiveness but the ability to overwhelm an offensive lineman with pure strength. Much more traditional in build at 6'5" and 300 pounds.

Oakman isn't as solidly built but is a lot longer and possesses a powerful punch. He's super explosive, especially for a 6'9" and 280+ pound guy. He looks like a bigger Aldon Smith but is just as athletic.

I actually would not mind either of those two, it'll give us the dominant 5-tech that is needed to have a dominant 3-4 defense.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Because he beat out Matt Cassel for the starting role so . . . Oh wait.

I don't think the Vikings know what they're doing there. I think they feel obligated to not rush the rookie onto the field. After today's showing from Cassel, though, there's no reason not to get Bridgewater out there and see what they can develop. By all accounts, Teddy had a better camp and preseason.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So what you're saying is that if we have to choose between a high risk / high reward player vs. a low ceiling but more NFL ready right away, we should go with the latter?

I hated taking a LT last year. But no doubt you go with Fisher over Joeckl, even if Joeckl is more NFL ready. This is the same shit that would have had us passing on Dontari Poe and Branden Albert. And we bagged on this guys when they first started out first.

CP gets pissy that our front office doesn't take chances then when we take chances, we want more NFL ready. It's ****ing stupid.

And no, I'm not crazy about the Ford pick. I'm pissy about how many people on here think it's a bad idea to take a 3-4 OLB even if it takes a year for that guy to develop. Assuming he has true first round talent which I'm not convinced Ford does.

It was not Fisher v, Joekel for me.

It was Fisher/Joekel v. Sheldon Richardson.

I didn't want either of those LTs.

As for Albert, he was a project LT, but an almost certain top LG if that failed.

You don't have that guarantee with Fisher.

He was a project no matter what.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

It was not Fisher v, Joekel for me.

It was Fisher/Joekel v. Sheldon Richardson.

I didn't want either of those LTs.

As for Albert, he was a project LT, but an almost certain top LG if that failed.

You don't have that guarantee with Fisher.

He was a project no matter what.

I wanted Richardson too. I have bagged on the pick.

But it was a consensus on CP that if we were choosing between two left tackles, it was Fisher.

That is until a year later when CP moved the uprights and said they were stupid to pick the high ceiling guy over the guy who was NFL ready right away.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

And if he turns out to be like Wilkerson, Jordan, or Watt as a 5-tech?

There are two players who might end up being special at the position:

Shawn Oakman and Leonard Williams.

Williams is the power guy with some explosiveness but the ability to overwhelm an offensive lineman with pure strength.

Oakman isn't as solidly built but is a lot longer and possesses a powerful punch. He's super explosive, especially for a 6'9" and 280+ pound guy. He looks like a bigger Aldon Smith but is just as athletic.

I actually would not mind either of those two, it'll give us the dominant 5-tech that is needed to have a dominant 3-4 defense.

I have been very consistent that I will take a game-changer with higher risk / higher reward over a conservative pick in the first round. Gladly. I don't care how NFL ready they are right away because I think this team has spent WAY too many picks the past 10 years drafting for need when they should be drafting for high positional value playmakers. Pioli's entire draft history was super conservative and full of reaches. I wouldn't normally take a 5-technique run stuffer but if he has the ability to influence both the run and pass and be a difference maker, I don't care. You take him. Just as I would have taken Richardson last year.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wanted Richardson too. I have bagged on the pick.

But it was a consensus on CP that if we were choosing between two left tackles, it was Fisher.

That is until a year later when CP moved the uprights and said they were stupid to pick the high ceiling guy over the guy who was NFL ready right away.

I gave Dorsey credit for not taking Joekel.

I said Fisher was the better pick of those 2 then, and I'm not backing away from that.

But that doesn't diminish the fact that I hated the pick.