The Patriots make a mockery of the Herm Way of Football - Page 6

FloridaMan88 · 12-09-2007, 10:58 PM

The Patriots showed once again today that the belief that you have to run the ball and have a balanced offense in order to win is an ancient myth... a myth that Herm still holds onto dearly.

This is why Herm will never be a championship caliber head coach in today's NFL.. he will never accept the fact that the great teams today are built around explosive, aggressive passing games and rely on these passing games as their primary source of offense.

The Patriots had NINE freaking rushing attempts all game and just 22 yards rushing for the game. Instead they relied on an aggressive passing game, often times spreading the field with 5 wide and attacking early and often downfield (yes actually passing the ball on FIRST down... a novel concept to Herm) with big passing plays.

Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass.

As long as Herm Edwards is the coach of the Chiefs, this team will continue to be stale, out of date and never a serious contender in today's NFL.

RedThat · 12-10-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because of several reasons....

1. general coaching - the olineman are coached a prepared to know the scheme and execute the scheme in indy.

2. attitude - the players believe in the scheme and fellow players. offense is the red-headed stepchild with Herm and the players know it.

3. scheme - these days in the NFL the athletic ability of the players is so close that coaching and scheme is huge. A scheme that gives the players any kind of edge can make all the difference.

listen ... unpredictability is an offensive lineman's best friend. when the Oline knows what's gonna happen and the defense doesn't it gives every Offensive lineman a step head start in getting to their blocks. The more unpredictable the bigger the head start. That can make every offensive lineman look quicker and look studly.

when a defense is just attacking without fear or regard ... the offensive lineman have to start "reaching" for blocks. They look slow and off-balance.

Brian Waters went to Hawaii in our last scheme but looks like a lazy bum in this one. Yes, having Roaf next to him helps but he is still getting abused several times a game when it's one-on-one.

do we have the best offensive line talent ...... no.

but our scheme and coaching are making them worse than they really are.

we trade offensive line with the colts and we would still stink and people would be screaming for lilja's head.

I hear ya. And I can agree with all that. Scheme does make a difference. I think the players the Chiefs have on the Offensive line are not as bad. They look bad because it's the little things around them that are bad.

duncan_idaho · 12-10-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because of several reasons....

1. general coaching - the olineman are coached a prepared to know the scheme and execute the scheme in indy.

2. attitude - the players believe in the scheme and fellow players. offense is the red-headed stepchild with Herm and the players know it.

3. scheme - these days in the NFL the athletic ability of the players is so close that coaching and scheme is huge. A scheme that gives the players any kind of edge can make all the difference.

listen ... unpredictability is an offensive lineman's best friend. when the Oline knows what's gonna happen and the defense doesn't it gives every Offensive lineman a step head start in getting to their blocks. The more unpredictable the bigger the head start. That can make every offensive lineman look quicker and look studly.

when a defense is just attacking without fear or regard ... the offensive lineman have to start "reaching" for blocks. They look slow and off-balance.

Brian Waters went to Hawaii in our last scheme but looks like a lazy bum in this one. Yes, having Roaf next to him helps but he is still getting abused several times a game when it's one-on-one.

do we have the best offensive line talent ...... no.

but our scheme and coaching are making them worse than they really are.

we trade offensive line with the colts and we would still stink and people would be screaming for lilja's head.

Agree completely. You could take a line full of Pro Bowl players, and they still would look pedestrian when trying to execute predictable, ultra-conservative play-calling. Very few five-man lines are going to be effective when their coaching staff is to stubborn to stop running into the teeth of 8 and 9-man fronts on every first down.

StcChief · 12-10-2007, 11:43 AM

damn Arena Ball will be the death of us

BucEyedPea · 12-10-2007, 02:33 PM

I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-10-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

Are you a Patriots fan, or a Buccaneers fan?

Amnorix · 12-10-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

I tend to agree, though the Ravens and STeelers are anomalies, I think. They are teh 1st and 2nd best run defenses in the NFL. When you have the best passing game in NFL history (perhaps) and are going up against the 1st and 2nd best run defenses....why bother to run?

**Nzoner** · 12-10-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let me know when the Chiefs have a QB that's the same caliber of Brady and receivers in the same league as Moss, Stallworth and Welker.

Oh yeah, and an actual NFL O-line.

Then, we can talk.

It wasn't that long ago that Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a helluva lot less than that at wide receiver.

BucEyedPea · 12-10-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I tend to agree, though the Ravens and STeelers are anomalies, I think. They are teh 1st and 2nd best run defenses in the NFL. When you have the best passing game in NFL history (perhaps) and are going up against the 1st and 2nd best run defenses....why bother to run?

Good point. I didn't know that about the Ravens and Steelers.....just that Ravens had a strong D. Still, Ravens had to hold most of the game too.

**Dave Lane** · 12-10-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I highly doubt that.

I remember it as well. He was screaming at him for not dumping it off and making 5 yards instead of throwing to a wide open receiver. Too risky I suppose he could have pulled a hammy....

Dave

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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-497094	The Patriots make a mockery of the Herm Way of Football The Patriots showed once again today that the belief that you have to run the ball and have a balanced offense in order to win is an ancient myth... a myth that Herm still holds onto dearly. This is why Herm will never be a championship caliber head coach in today's NFL.. he will never accept the fact that the great teams today are built around explosive, aggressive passing games and rely on these passing games as their primary source of offense. The Patriots had NINE freaking rushing attempts all game and just 22 yards rushing for the game. Instead they relied on an aggressive passing game, often times spreading the field with 5 wide and attacking early and often downfield (yes actually passing the ball on FIRST down... a novel concept to Herm) with big passing plays. Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass. As long as Herm Edwards is the coach of the Chiefs, this team will continue to be stale, out of date and never a serious contender in today's NFL.
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