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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

teedubya · 11-20-2007, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Saturday we'll see two football teams in Arrowhead who know how to win. (Not to mention WANT to)

I'm gettin' sick of you real quick-like, Herm.

No shit. Rep.

teedubya · 11-20-2007, 02:03 AM

come on. You play for field position.

blueballs · 11-20-2007, 02:38 AM

A 2nd for a crying old man
and a 4th for an imbecle
Carl---YOU'RE FIRED

**007** · 11-20-2007, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueballs

A 2nd for a crying old man
and a 4th for an imbecle
Carl---YOU'RE FIRED

He definitely knows how to waste draft picks doesn't he?

Messier · 11-20-2007, 04:22 AM

I think he's saying, boy do we need new o-linemen in the off season.

**Bob Dole** · 11-20-2007, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk

Actually we lost the most important game of the year (Broncos at home) by giving the opposition 14 quick points off our passing game. In other words, by taking a risk.

Actually, we lost that game by refusing to make the obviously needed QB change at the half.

Pushead2 · 11-20-2007, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier

I think he's saying, boy do we need new o-linemen in the off season.

I think he's saying "Oh shit I am a terrible coach with a terrible offensive mind and I have no clue what the **** to do."

CrazyHorse · 11-20-2007, 05:46 AM

So, in essence he's saying he was worried about the offense being on the field and the defense being on the field.

My favorite quote of the article? "We survived the 1st half".

Trying to eat clock with a 3-3 tie? Is he reeruned?

CrazyHorse · 11-20-2007, 05:49 AM

YOU PLAY.......to survive the 1st half.

**BigRedChief** · 11-20-2007, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater

OMG! You're right, punting is waaaay too risky. Maybe we should just kneel down on 4th down. That would be the safest thing to do.

What if it's a bad snap? Maybe the QB should just take a knee.

chiefsfan987 · 11-20-2007, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

So, in essence he's saying he was worried about the offense being on the field and the defense being on the field.

**BigRedChief** · 11-20-2007, 06:43 AM

If we are going to give up on 3rd and long and run a draw and then punt why not take a long shot down the field to Bowe. Maybe he gets a pass interferance? He goes up and gets the jump ball? Or maybe it goes all the way.

Either way its a small risk if we are punting and gaining a net 30 yards anyway. So we throw an interception. Most of the time those long pass plays the reciever tackles the guy right there anyway.

HMc · 11-20-2007, 06:45 AM

It's amazing that he's so frightened of failure.

HMc · 11-20-2007, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If we are going to give up on 3rd and long and run a draw and then punt why not take a long shot down the field to Bowe. Maybe he gets a pass interferance? He goes up and gets the jump ball? Or maybe it goes all the way.

Either way its a small risk if we are punting and gaining a net 30 yards anyway. So we throw an interception. Most of the time those long pass plays the reciever tackles the guy right there anyway.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Just hurl it deep and you never know what happens, you've still got 2 downs for the clouds of dust and then MVP colquitt

FringeNC · 11-20-2007, 06:49 AM

This season's college football makes a mockery of Herm's excuses. Teams like Appalachian State against Michigan just don't give up and try to keep the score close because they don't have equal or better talent at every position. The get creative, take risks, find ways to leverage the talent that they have to TRY TO WIN.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9003042	come on. You play for field position.
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CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	So, in essence he's saying he was worried about the offense being on the field and the defense being on the field. My favorite quote of the article? "We survived the 1st half". Trying to eat clock with a 3-3 tie? Is he reeruned?
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11-20-2007, 05:49 AM	#84
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	YOU PLAY.......to survive the 1st half.
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11-20-2007, 06:43 AM	#87
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-571038 VARSITY	If we are going to give up on 3rd and long and run a draw and then punt why not take a long shot down the field to Bowe. Maybe he gets a pass interferance? He goes up and gets the jump ball? Or maybe it goes all the way. Either way its a small risk if we are punting and gaining a net 30 yards anyway. So we throw an interception. Most of the time those long pass plays the reciever tackles the guy right there anyway. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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11-20-2007, 06:45 AM	#88
HMc from the very deep south. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia. Casino cash: $9944900	It's amazing that he's so frightened of failure.
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11-20-2007, 06:49 AM	#90
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1593986	This season's college football makes a mockery of Herm's excuses. Teams like Appalachian State against Michigan just don't give up and try to keep the score close because they don't have equal or better talent at every position. The get creative, take risks, find ways to leverage the talent that they have to TRY TO WIN.
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