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Old 06-02-2017, 05:36 PM  
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:16 AM   #871
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It's entertaining, if in an unsatisfying way.

The satisfaction may be on it's way, though. Then, and only then, will I really get back to feeling the emotions the game used to conjure up in me.

Watching football without a shred of hope is terrible. Some of us are cursed, I suppose. If you can mindlessly enjoy the pro football version of Wal Mart and McDonalds more power to ya.
Probably how your chick views sex. She just needs a Pat Mahomes too.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:29 AM   #872
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Cutting maclin will lead to extensions for Morse and Ford.

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Old 06-05-2017, 11:32 AM   #873
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Ford extension would be key, hes a lock for 10+ sacks easy. Hes the only LBer we have that isnt old or a brokedick
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:35 AM   #874
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Dorsey had Derek Carr on the draft board but Andy veto'd. Finally he saw the light with Alex.
If you look at the QBs KC could have realistically had a shot at...he's the only one worth a high pick. Carr still hasn't manged to beat Smith in the past 2 seasons.

Oakland is about to hit a financial wall...Mack, Carr, Jackson and possibly Cooper. The bill is coming much like what happened in Seattle.

I think Dorsey has been waiting for someone they really wanted...they had no chance at Wentz, Mariota or Winston.

KC has dumped a lot high profile players this off-season...Howard, Poe, Maclin and Charles.

Dorsey saw his team go 12-4 essentially without 3 of them...and Poe declining.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:57 AM   #875
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I don't think the Maclin move has anything to do with them wanting to keep Smith. They could have cut him next offseason and gained the same amount of cap room, if that were the case.

I think they just needed some cap room now for this year, and they feel good about their other WRs.
No they couldn't have.

This buys them $10 million in cap rollover that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

It adds $10 million to next year's cap, effectively. It definitely makes it easier for them to keep Smith if they so choose.

I'm not saying that IS why they did it, but it would work with the timing. It came right after Mahomes had a bit of a pick-fest in OTAs. I think the more likely scenario is that they were just looking to clear the decks for Hill to ascend to #1 wideout, but I can't completely ignore the possibility that some reticence with Mahomes played into it.
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No they couldn't have.

This buys them $10 million in cap rollover that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

It adds $10 million to next year's cap, effectively. It definitely makes it easier for them to keep Smith if they so choose.

I'm not saying that IS why they did it, but it would work with the timing. It came right after Mahomes had a bit of a pick-fest in OTAs. I think the more likely scenario is that they were just looking to clear the decks for Hill to ascend to #1 wideout, but I can't completely ignore the possibility that some reticence with Mahomes played into it.
IMO camp and preseason is going to tell the Chiefs all they need to know about where Mahomes is and if they should keep Alex in 2018.
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there is reason to question his personnel decision making when it comes to the WR position.

Remember the historically awful Chiefs WR depth chart in 2014? The group without a TD reception for the entire season?

Dorsey, in his own words admitted after that season that he made a mistake the previous offseason by not being more aggressive in addressing the WR position.

Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself.

That's not entirely true, extending Bowe in 2013 was more about reshaping the roster...and he could only do so much with what pee-hole had left him. They were trying to have some consistency with the transition. Hopkins is the only probowl WR from that draft class. His hands were tied on that one.

2014 was a strong draft for WR. They wanted to draft Beckham and had Sanders all but signed.

Bowe getting busted gave them an out and they essentially replaced him with Maclin. It was a nice move and netted a 1000 yard WR without using a 1st to do so.

Not addressing WR early in 2015 class netted them Morse and Peters...Maclin gave them that flexibility.

His falling off a cliff has nothing to do with Dorsey...it was a good signing, initially, for many reasons.

Had Manning/Hoseface not ****ed with KC signing Sanders....all this would be moot.
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IMO camp and preseason is going to tell the Chiefs all they need to know about where Mahomes is and if they should keep Alex in 2018.
I don't believe Mahomes will be ready to start the 2018 and even if he proves me wrong, the Chiefs should keep Smith on the roster as insurance or trade bait before the season starts.

It'd be nice to see the Chiefs get a 2019 second or third round pick for Smith, as opposed to nothing, especially since they're not likely to get any serious comp picks because they won't let their best players, like Peters or Ford, walk.
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It came right after Mahomes had a bit of a pick-fest in OTAs.
Pick fest? I only read of one. Is there a more in depth report out there that i've missed?
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I don't believe Mahomes will be ready to start the 2018 and even if he proves me wrong, the Chiefs should keep Smith on the roster as insurance or trade bait before the season starts.

It'd be nice to see the Chiefs get a 2019 second or third round pick for Smith, as opposed to nothing, especially since they're not likely to get any serious comp picks because they won't let their best players, like Peters or Ford, walk.
How do you envision us getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Smith?
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Pick fest? I only read of one. Is there a more in depth report out there that i've missed?
I thought I'd read that he was struggling and had thrown several during rookie camp and OTAs.

It didn't raise any alarm bells for me because...duh. He's a rookie gunslinger, he goin' do that.

But if Reid thought that he might be a tick further away than they'd hoped and saw a method to keeping Smith on the roster in '18, maybe that's the reason. Personally, I HATE that decision. I mean absolutely loathe it. It effectively kills 1/2 the true financial advantage that comes with a rookie QB due to the high cost of a top 10 5th year option.

But they didn't ask me and I'm just trying to spitball. It's not impossible that they're planning for that eventuality and by cutting Maclin early, they give him time to latch on with another squad. If they wait until camp, they'd really be boning a solid veteran player and good soldier so I don't think they'd go that route.
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I thought I'd read that he was struggling and had thrown several during rookie camp and OTAs.

It didn't raise any alarm bells for me because...duh. He's a rookie gunslinger, he goin' do that.

But if Reid thought that he might be a tick further away than they'd hoped and saw a method to keeping Smith on the roster in '18, maybe that's the reason. Personally, I HATE that decision. I mean absolutely loathe it. It effectively kills 1/2 the true financial advantage that comes with a rookie QB due to the high cost of a top 10 5th year option.

But they didn't ask me and I'm just trying to spitball. It's not impossible that they're planning for that eventuality and by cutting Maclin early, they give him time to latch on with another squad. If they wait until camp, they'd really be boning a solid veteran player and good soldier so I don't think they'd go that route.
I could see it as a "just in case" scenario. I think they aren't planning on keeping him though. And I don't envision Mahomes not starting in 2018 either.
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How do you envision us getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Smith?
If he plays out his contract and is signed elsewhere as a FA afterwards, that will almost positively bet us a comp pick in the 3rd / 4th range.

Maybe he thinks a team would trade a 2 for him next offseason...which is possible.
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If he plays out his contract and is signed elsewhere as a FA afterwards, that will almost positively bet us a comp pick in the 3rd / 4th range.

Maybe he thinks a team would trade a 2 for him next offseason...which is possible.
What team is trading a 2nd round pick for a 34 year old QB that doesn't throw for more than 20 TDs in a season?

Did someone duplicate our team?
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What team is trading a 2nd round pick for a 34 year old QB that doesn't throw for more than 20 TDs in a season?

Did someone duplicate our team?
I could see the Jags doubt it, along with 2-3 others.

The jags would be perfect, though.
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