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Old 06-19-2023, 10:45 AM  
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Tourist(s) missing in submarine while trying to reach the Titannic

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-coa...-sub-1.6446841


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A search and rescue operation is currently underway to locate a submarine that went missing during an expedition to the Titanic.
The U.S. Coast Guard was looking for the submarine Monday morning after it disappeared during the expedition from St. John's, N.L. The infamous 1912 wreck is located more than 600 kilometres southeast of the province in the North Atlantic Ocean.
The trip to the Titanic was being run by OceanGate Expeditions, a U.S.-based company. It uses a five-person submersible named Titan to reach the wreckage 3,800 metres below the surface. OceanGate's website advertises a seven-night voyage to the Titanic for US$250,000 per person, or approximately CA$330,000.
"We are exploring and mobilizing all options to bring the crew back safely," an OceanGate spokesperson said in an email to CTV News. "Our entire focus is on the crewmembers in the submersible and their families."


Those tours are a series of five eight-day missions to the Titanic with the money raised by tourists going towards Titanic research. Posts on social media show the ship launched from the St. John's area last week.

Did they really have 5 people in this?? Or do they have a larger version??



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Old 06-22-2023, 02:59 PM   #811
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I don't believe so.

My memory is that it's centrifugal force that does that. Because it creates a sort of gravitational pull that takes anything further away and tries harder to 'pull' it in. So the nature of gravity and centrifugal force combined is what tries to pull everything into a central point, makes it relatively equidistant from the center and thus a sphere is formed.

Here I think the shape's going to be more akin to an egg cooked on a hot rock...then another hot rock gets dropped on top of it.
So I got this about 40% right.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...planets-round/

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Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it. With its large body and internal heating from radioactive elements, a planet behaves like a fluid, and over long periods of time succumbs to the gravitational pull from its center of gravity. The only way to get all the mass as close to planet's center of gravity as possible is to form a sphere. The technical name for this process is "isostatic adjustment."
So it's just gravity that does it and it's actually centrifugal force that tries to UNDO it and in the process makes the shape somewhat oblong. Earth doesn't spin that fast relative to it's mass so it's relatively round. But if an object spins really fast (thus a lot of force at the equator) and has relatively low mass (thus less gravity) you could have a pretty out of round planet on your hands.

I still think I got the condition of the cadavers 100% right, though.
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Old 06-22-2023, 02:59 PM   #812
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:01 PM   #813
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So I got this about 40% right.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...planets-round/

It's just gravity that does it (and largely for the reasons I noted - called 'isostatic adjustment' which is just a fantastic term) and it's actually centrifugal force that tries to UNDO it and in the process makes the shape somewhat oblong. Earth doesn't spin that fast relative to it's mass so it's relatively round. But if an object spins really fast (thus a lot of force at the equator) and has relatively low mass (thus less gravity) you could have a pretty out of round planet on your hands.

I still think I got the condition of the cadavers 100% right, though.
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:09 PM   #814
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:39 PM   #815
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Sure. Are we going to start banning rock climbing, hiking, backcountry skiing, etc.? Colorado spends a ton of money on search and rescue operations for all of those. Hell, half the reason the Coast Guard even exists is because of the need for search and rescue.
I'm pretty sure I'm required to pay a small fee, less than a dollar??, each time I visit Colorado that's supposed to offset some of these costs. I don't know how such a small fee would even begin to pay for the cost considering how many times they're sent out a year, but I'm sure it helps.

I completely agree that we should avoid punishing or discouraging these type of people though. We are all where we are in life because some idiot had an idea and the balls to try it. He might have died, but the guy who watched him do it learned something from it that made it work the second time.
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:45 PM   #816
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:47 PM   #817
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:53 PM   #818
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Count me as never ever wanting to go on a submarine in my life.
Actually, it's pretty ****ing awesome... Everybody's on a first name basis, most skippers understand the real deal and know their personally, as with the officers, perfect air and conditions 99.9% of the time (those 8-hour transits to the dive point in heavy weather ****ing SUCK!)!

Compared to the skimmer's "green water over the bow" bullshit, I preferred the submarine life by a long country mile.
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:55 PM   #819
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Actually, it's pretty ****ing awesome... Everybody's on a first name basis, most skippers understand the real deal and know their personally, as with the officers, perfect air and conditions 99.9% of the time (those 8-hour transits to the dive point in heavy weather ****ing SUCK!)!

Compared to the skimmer's "green water over the bow" bullshit, I preferred the submarine life by a long country mile.
What's the deepest depths you've dived?
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Old 06-22-2023, 03:56 PM   #820
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I guess it's probably a relief to their families that they went squish real quick and didn't sit there for 3 days waiting to run out of air.

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Actually, it's pretty ****ing awesome... Everybody's on a first name basis, most skippers understand the real deal and know their personally, as with the officers, perfect air and conditions 99.9% of the time (those 8-hour transits to the dive point in heavy weather ****ing SUCK!)!

Compared to the skimmer's "green water over the bow" bullshit, I preferred the submarine life by a long country mile.
I worked with a sub guy. The shit he told me was frankly awful. 18-hour days (as opposed to the normal 24), no foreign port visits because boomers can't go to foreign ports, and that's in addition to the no sunlight or contact with anybody for months. So basically no booze, no hookers, no sight-seeing in exotic foreign countries, no magnificent sunrises over the ocean. Basically all the good things I experienced just... not available. But you still get all the military bullshit.

**** that.
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The circled parts are what's rumored to have been found, and both parts are considered non-essential to determining if the hull was breached.

Well, if that's the case, the hull could still be intact on the ocean floor with the people alive.

(Just in case anyone's not having nightmares already.)
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I worked with a sub guy. The shit he told me was frankly awful. 18-hour days (as opposed to the normal 24), no foreign port visits because boomers can't go to foreign ports, and that's in addition to the no sunlight or contact with anybody for months. So basically no booze, no hookers, no sight-seeing in exotic foreign countries, no magnificent sunrises over the ocean. Basically all the good things I experienced just... not available. But you still get all the military bullshit.

**** that.
I knew a guy that was a boomer driver. Wife's cousin was a reactor engineer on a Los Angeles Class sub.

Both were a little different.
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