Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Rain Man]

Here's what my training camp initial depth chart looks like, minus all of the undrafted free agents who will compete:

Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Brett Hundley (Packers)
Chad Henne
Nathan Peterman (Bills)

RB
Alvin Kamara (Saints)
Rashaad Penny
Samaje Perine (Redskins)
Justin Jackson
Akeem Hunt
Jamaal Charles (former Chiefs)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills/Saints/Chiefs)

WR
Sammy Watkins
James Washington
Kendall Wright (Titans/Bears)
Donte Moncrief (Colts)
Malachi Dupre (Packers)
Jeremy Maclin (Chiefs/Ravens)

(Free agent loss: Albert Wilson)
TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Ben Koyack (Jaguars)
Jace Amaro
Anthony Fasano (Titans/Dolphins)

OT
Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs)
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Tyrell Crosby
Corey Robinson (Lions)
Menelik Watson (Raiders/Broncos)

G
Christian Westerman (Bengals)
Evan Boehm (Cardinals)
Wyatt Teller
Dorian Johnson (Cardinals)
Alex Boone (49ers)

C
Cody Whitehair (Bears )

K
Harrison Butker
Cairo Santos, K

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
James Winchester

FS
Jordan Poyer (Eagles/Browns/Bills)
Desmond King (Chargers)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Miles Killebrew (Lions)
Derron Smith (Bengals)

CB
Marcus Peters (Chiefs)
Kendall Fuller (Redskins)
Steve Nelson (Chiefs)
David Amerson
Kalan Reed (Titans)
Keith Reasor

Free agent loss: Terrance Mitchell

OLB
AJ Klein (Panthers/Saints)
Taco Charlton (Cowboys)
Dorance Armstrong
Jack Cichy
Ejuan Price (Rams)
Tamba Hali (Chiefs)

ILB
Zach Brown (Titans)
Reggie Ragland (Chiefs)
Anthony Hitchens
Scooby Wright (Browns)
Derrick Johnson (Chiefs)

DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Caleb Brantley (Browns)
Maurice Hurst
Nate Orchard (Browns)
Ade Aruna
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings)
Hercules Mata'afa
Michael Bennett (Jaguars)

NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Andrew Billings (Bengals)
Xavier Williams

Free agent loss: Bennie Logan

I was thinking that I'd transition to a 4-3 defense this year, but I'll stay in a 3-4. Taco Charlton is a key to that and he hasn't proven himself, plus I still need an outside linebacker to step up.

[kccrow]

Here's my training camp roster... Add any UDFA/camp fodder signings that aren't on here. I put a * to separate guys that I know going into this are in that group...

Offense
QB Patrick Mahomes II (#1-10/17, KC)
QB Chad Henne (FA/18, KC)
QB Matt McGloin
*
QB Chase Litton

RB Spencer Ware
RB Aaron Jones (#5-180/17, GB)
RB Christopher Carson (#7-245/17, SEA)
RB Charcandrick West
*
RB Damien Williams
RB Kerwynn Williams
RB Akeem Hunt

FB Anthony Sherman
*
FB J.D. Moore

WR Jeremy Maclin (cut/BAL)
WR Sammy Watkins (FA/18, KC)
WR Chris Conley
WR Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16, CIN)
WR Stacy Coley (#6-218/17, MIN)
WR Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16, CLE)
WR De'Anthony Thomas
*
WR Nelson Spruce
WR Daniel Braverman
WR Gehrig Dieter
WR Marcus Kemp
WR Brandon Shippen
WR Elijah Marks
WR Byron Pringle

TE Travis Kelce
TE Demetrius Harris
TE Ross Travis
*
TE Jace Amaro
TE Orson Charles
TE Tim Wright
TE Blake Mack

OL Eric Fisher
OL Mitchell Schwartz
OL Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OL Dorian Johnson (#3-104/17, CAR)
OL Connor McGovern (#4-126/16, DEN)
OL Cole Madison (#4-122/18, GB)
OL Mitch Morse
OL Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18, BAL)
*
OL Jordan Devey
OL Dillon Gordon
OL Kaleb Johnson
OL Andrew Wylie
OL Ryan Hunter
OL Jimmy Murray
OL Devondre Seymour

Defense
DL Allen Bailey
DL Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17, HOU)
DL Jarvis Jenkins (FA/17, KC)
DL Rakeem Nunez-Roches
DL Xavier Williams (FA/18, KC)
DL Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18, BUF)
DL Zach Sieler (#7-219/18, BAL)
*
DL Josh Agusta
DL Stefan Charles
DL Justin Hamilton
DL T.Y. McGill

OLB Justin Houston
OLB Tamba Hali - (cut/KC)
OLB Dee Ford
OLB Matt Judon (#4-129/16, BAL)
OLB Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17, KC)
OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18, LAR)
*
LB Tyrone Holmes

ILB Derrick Johnson (cut/KC, OAK)
ILB Anthony Hitchens (FA/18, KC)
ILB Reggie Ragland (f/BUF 2019 4th)
ILB Joshua Perry (#4-99/16, IND)
ILB Blair Brown (#5-148/17, JAX)
ILB Justin March-Lillard (MIA)
*
ILB Raymond Davidson
ILB Ben Niemann

CB Kendall Fuller (T-WAS/18, KC)
CB Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18, SF)
CB David Amerson (FA/18, KC)
CB Steven Nelson
CB Tremon Smith (#6-196/18, KC)
CB Holton Hill (#7-243/18, MIN)
CB D.J. White (#6-178/16, KC)
CB KeiVarae Russell (#3-74/16, CIN)
CB Kalan Reed (#7-250/16, TEN)

DB Eric Berry
DB Ron Parker (cut/KC)
DB Daniel Sorensen
DB Jessie Bates (#2-52/18, CIN)
*
DB Makinton Dorleant
DB Prince Charles Iworah
DB Ashton Lampkin
DB Jordan Sterns
DB Robert Golden
DB Keith Reaser
DB Will Redmond
DB Arrion Springs
DB D'Montre Wade

Special Teams
K Harrison Butker (FA/17, KC)
K Zane Gonzalez (#7-222/17, CLE)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

Traded
DB Marcus Peters (to LAR w/6-209 for 4-124 + 2019-2nd)
QB Alex Smith (to WAS for 3-78 + CB Kendall Fuller)

Automatic FA Losses
WR Albert Wilson (MIA)
OL Zach Fulton (HOU)
DL Bennie Logan (TEN)
DB Kenneth Acker (IND)
DB Phillip Gaines (BUF)
CB Terrance Mitchell (CLE)

Running Draft Pick Tab
2019 4th to BUF (R. Ragland)
2019 2nd from LAR (M. Peters)

[chiefscafan]

Yep this is difficult with not an available LT at our picks

[chiefscafan]

Ok here is LA Cobras draft:

Needs:

LT, C, CB, FS/SS, TE


2:52: Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn



3:86: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama



4:122: Maurice Hurst , NT, Michigan



5:159: Kyle Fitts, DE, Utah



6:196: Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas



6:209: Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama



7:233: Jordan Mailata, OT, Australia ����



7:240: Will Clapp, OC, LSU



7:243: Hercules Mata’afa, DT/DE\OLB, Washington State

[kccrow]

Considering swapping out my 7th round pick of Logan Woodside for a UDFA, but man what a load of guys I really like with no idea they'll make a team...

WR Deontay Burnett, USC (Titans UDFA)
RB Mike Boone, Cincinnati (Vikings UDFA)
CB Holton Hill, Texas (Vikings UDFA)
CB JC Jackson, Maryland (Patriots UDFA)
SS Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern (Buccaneers UDFA)
RB Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt (Patriots UDFA)
DT Trenton Thompson, Georgia (Browns UDFA)
LB Jeff Holland, Auburn (Broncos UDFA)
OL Ryan Hunter, Bowling Green (Chiefs UDFA)
OC Jimmy Murray, Holy Cross (Chiefs UDFA)
OL Sean Welsh, Iowa (Redskins UDFA)
CB Kevin Toliver, LSU (Bears UDFA)
RB Roc Thomas, Jacksonville State (Vikings UDFA)
DT Hercules Mata'afa, Washington State (Vikings UDFA)
CB Deatrick Nichols, South Florida (Cardinals UDFA)
SS Chucky Williams, Louisville (Rams UDFA)
TE Deon Yelder, Western Kentucky (Saints UDFA)

[chiefscafan]

Yeah there was some incredible talent undrated this year. Love Hercules and actually like the center from holly cross, Pringle KSU WR, and Arrion Springs CB Oregon that we picked up.

[wazu]

Here is the 2018 draft for the Fresno Refugees:

Round 2, pick 54 - CB Donte Jackson, LSU (Panthers)
Round 3, pick 78 - WR Michael Gallup, Colorado State (Cowboys)
Round 3, pick 86 - OLB Dorian O'Daniel, Clemson (Chiefs)
Round 4, pick 122 - OT Jamarco Jones, Ohio State (Seahawks)
Round 5, Pick 159 - LB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma (Rams)
Round 6, pick 196 - WR Cedrick Wilson, Boise State (Cowboys)
Round 7, Pick 233 - DE Joe Ostman, Central Michigan (Eagles)
Round 7, pick 240 - DE Justin Lawler, SMU (Rams)
Round 7, Pick 243 - C Will Clapp, LSU (Saints)

And the remainder of my training camp roster:

QB
Patrick Mahomes
Brock Osweiler (Browns)
Paxton Lynch (Broncos)
Chad Henne
Matt McGloin

RB
Kareem Hunt
Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)
Anthony Sherman
Damien Williams
Kerwynn Williams
Akeem Hunt

WR
Sammy Watkins
Jehu Chesson
Tavon Austin (Rams)
Rishard Matthews (Titans)
De'Anthony Thomas
Mike Thomas (Rams)
Nelson Spruce
Daniel Braverman
Gehrig Dieter
Marcus Kemp
Brandon Shippen

TE
Travis Kelce
Maxx Williams (Ravens)
Jace Amaro
Orson Charles
Anthony Firkser

OT
T.J. Clemmings (Vikings)
Josh James
Jordan Devey
Dillon Gordon
Kaleb Johnson
Andrew Wylie

G
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff
Mike Person
Max Garcia (Broncos)
La’el Collins (Cowboys)

C
NONE

K
Harrison Butker

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
George Iloka (Bengals)
Kelcie McCray (Bills-Drafted)

CB
P.J. Williams (Saints)
Jordan Poyer (Bills)
Kalen Reed (Titans)
Devin Chappell
Makinton Dorleant
Prince Charles Iworah
Ashton Lampkin
Jordan Sterns
Robert Golden
Sheldon Price
Keith Reaser
Will Redmond

OLB
Justin Houston
Shane Ray (Broncos)
Dee Ford

ILB
Anthony Hitchens
Reggie Ragland
Ukeme Eligwe
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

DE
Allen Bailey
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Jarvis Jenkins
Josh Agusta
Stefan Charles
Justin Hamilton
T.Y. McGill
Mike Purcell
Tyrone Holmes

NT
Xavier Williams
Rakeem Nunez-Roches

Please call me out if there are any screw-ups spotted. I probably need to re-visit the roster. Will do so at the cut-down before the season.

[kccrow]

I made a couple of key edits to my draft/roster...

I took FS Jessie Bates in round 2 instead of CB Josh Jackson.
I took CB Holton Hill in round 7 instead of QB Logan Woodside.

The reason, really, is that the 49ers moved my 3rd round pick from safety to CB and he's doing really well in that transition which left me with a huge void yet at FS. It just makes more sense to get a safety even though I remain very high on Jackson. I did really like Bates anyhow and he'd have likely been my pick had I not traded up. To hedge my bets, I swapped out Woodside for Holton Hill, who I think is a starter in this league if he remains committed to leaving the pot alone.

[Rain Man]

I have four players in the NFL's top 100. I've got:

Russell Wilson at #11
Alvin Kamara at #20
Travis Kelce at #24
Marcus Peters at #79

I'm apparently better at identifying skill players than other position.

I'll also note that I've been playing long enough that I actually made the decision to draft Kelce and Peters instead of just inheriting them, so I can claim credit there.

[Rain Man]

Dang. My 7th round pick, Hercules Mata'afa, is out for the season with an ACL injury.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Dang. My 7th round pick, Hercules Mata'afa, is out for the season with an ACL injury.

I believe per our amended rules you have stated we can modify our draft up until training camp, so that's an option.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by wazu

I believe per our amended rules you have stated we can modify our draft up until training camp, so that's an option.

Oh, good point. But I retain full confidence in Hercules. He'll be back.

[kccrow]

So basic run down so far...

2(43) Jessie Bates, FS, Wake Forest
Selected at 2(52) by Cincinnati

Looks like he will be the starter in Cincy after they released Iloka. Might turn out to be a great pick. Hopefully it is because Josh Jackson is looking great in GB...

3(86) Tarvarius Moore, CB/FS, Southern Mississippi
Selected at 3(95) by San Francisco

Well this pick started out looking really promising, but he's slid down the depth chart and I dont' know that he's more than a dime back out the gate. Reports are that he's played well.

3(95) Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Selected at 3(96) by Buffalo

Phillips is getting starter's reps while Kyle Williams is out injured. He looks to be a guy off the bench often and is definitely looking like Williams' heir.

4(122) Cole Madison, OT/G, Washington State
Selected at 5(138) by Green Bay

Well, we may not see any fruit from this pick this season. He hasn't reported to camp, out with what the team is calling a serious personal matter and nobody seems to have a clue what that entails.


5(159) Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, EDGE, Oklahoma
Selected at 5(160) by Los Angeles

Oko was getting some good reps until he broke his wheel, now he's out for some time and possibly the season.

6(196) Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
Selected at 6(198) by Kansas City

I've been somewhat impressed by this kid and he's definitely going to be on the team and see alot of ST snaps.


6(198) Bradley Bozeman, OC, Alabama
Selected at 6(215) by Baltimore

Last I checked, Bozeman was the #3 OC on the depth chart so I'm thinking he's probably headed for the practice squad.


7(219) Zach Sieler, DE, Ferris State
Selected at 7(238) by Baltimore

Haven't seen much yet from the kid, but he has had a couple tackles in each preseason game and good reports early in camp.


7(243) Holton Hill, CB, Texas
UDFA by Minnesota

Alot of chatter about this kid throughout camp that he looks really good and 4 tackles per game in preseason.

[Rain Man]

It would be nice if you could pull a rookie starter out of your second round pick, kccrow.

I wonder what the deal is with your fourth rounder. That's odd.

[Rain Man]

Here's an update on my rookies as we head into Preseason Week 4. My top two picks are underperforming, my mid-round picks are thriving, and my low-round picks are a M*A*S*H unit.

Round 1, Pick 22 Rashaad Penny

I'm a little worried. He hasn't been able to claim the starting job over some schmo named Chris Carson, and then broke his finger and has missed most of the preseason. It's believed that he'll be the change-of-pace back when the season starts. That's not what I was hoping for.

Yes - Round 2, pick 54 James Washington

Well, he's kind of the third receiver right now, but apparently The Rapist isn't very happy with his route adjustments so he's in the rape doghouse. I hope that's just a learning curve.

Yes - Round 3, pick 86 Traded down for 4.116, 4-137, and 7-236

Yes - Round 4, pick 116 Dorance Armstrong

Right now he's listed as the third-string LDE behind Demarcus Lawrence and Kony Ealy, but he's drawing rave reviews as the most impressive Cowboys rookie, and there are rumors that Ealy may be cut to move him up the depth chart. He's looking good right now.

Yes - Round 4, pick 122 Maurice Hurst

He's officially listed as the second-strong DT, but the reports are that he's clearly the best DT in Oakland should be starting in Week 1. Early returns are very positive.

Yes - Round 4, pick 137 Tyrell Crosby

He's officially listed as the third-string LT, but early reports are that he's playing very well and may move up. The LT position is a pleasant surprise for me. It's unlikely that he'll unseat Taylor Decker for the starting spot, though.

Yes - Round 5, Pick 159 Wyatt Teller

He's currently listed as the second-string LG and is getting good reviews. I'm hopeful since the guy ahead of him isn't a world-beater (Vladimir Ducasse).

Yes - Round 6, pick 196 Jack Cichy

He's currently listed as the third-sting LOLB, but is playing second-string now due to another player's injury, and the rumors are that he'll hold that spot. He's got a bad injury history but has been healthy and playing well. He's looking good.

Yes - Round 6, pick 209 Ade Aruna

He was the third-string LDE behind Danielle Hunter and Brian Robison in a talented field, and then blew out an ACL this week. He's on IR now.

Yes - Round 7, pick 236 Justin Jackson

He's listed as the third-string HB, but has apparently been nicked up all preseason and is in danger of not making the team. Maybe he's a practice squad candidate.

Yes - Round 7, pick 240 Hercules Mata'afa

Blown ACL in minicamp and he's out for the year.