****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Vegas lines are rarely "right". They are simply good at missing each direction an equal number of times over the long run. Computers are the same way. If you take everything in aggregate, they tend to be correct. In the short term, they are extremely unreliable because they are susceptible to outliers (Washington, Arizona State, etc.).

Relying on them to be accurate on an individual basis is about as smart as flipping a coin ten times and, when it comes up heads seven times, declaring that heads is definitively a more likely outcome in coin flips.

Computer models sacrifice accuracy for precision. Even in the long term (especially in the long term), this is true. If it weren't true, the computers would agree with one another.

No clue what your point is here. Yes sometimes a team wins by more than the spread and sometimes by less. But we are taking standard error from the target and Vegas (and your buddy Sagarin) set excellent targets. Targets that retrofit extremely close to the outcomes.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I think Ole Miss beating Texas by 1,000 in Austin pretty much drove a stake through the heart of that meme (especially since Texas has gone 7-1 in the Big 12).

Georgia State or whoever they were getting their first ever D1 win at the Swamp of all places drives a stake into the heart of the notion the SEC-E is any good.

[Prison Bitch]

Wait, I think I read an MU fan say haters (ie me) are "jealous". Wow. That's amazing hubris. I wouldn't have wished your sports experience as a fan on my worst enemy. Jealous, lulz.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Well if you lose what will you have won?

It would still be an excellent season & has already dispelled the myth we can't compete but it wouldn't be a championship one & wouldn't be any different than what they did in the Big 12. Winning the league would change the program's perception locally & nationally & be quite a breakthrough.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

No clue what your point is here. Yes sometimes a team wins by more than the spread and sometimes by less. But we are taking standard error from the target and Vegas (and your buddy Sagarin) set excellent targets. Targets that retrofit extremely close to the outcomes.

Retrofit...I like that. It sounds better than saying "when we get proven wrong, we just change the formulas after the fact and claim we are right".

Personally, I can predict the winners of every major sporting event in history that has ever been played.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Georgia State or whoever they were getting their first ever D1 win at the Swamp of all places drives a stake into the heart of the notion the SEC-E is any good.

Are you talking about the Gators that are in 10th place in the SEC? That's the difference between the SEC and the Big Dozen(ish)...crap teams in the SEC get pounded in conference play. In the Big 12, they finish in the top half of the conference.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Retrofit...I like that. It sounds better than saying "when we get proven wrong, we just change the formulas after the fact and claim we are right".

Personally, I can predict the winners of every major sporting event in history that has ever been played.

That's not remotely what that refers to, and your second comment might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Georgia State or whoever they were getting their first ever D1 win at the Swamp of all places drives a stake into the heart of the notion the SEC-E is any good.

Cherry picking one team that is well below their historical average doesn't help your argument.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wait, I think I read an MU fan say haters (ie me) are "jealous". Wow. That's amazing hubris. I wouldn't have wished your sports experience as a fan on my worst enemy. Jealous, lulz.

Obviously, the comment refers to being jealous of the specific accomplishments being spoken of. Missouri's putting themselves within 1 win of playing for a national championship in football this season, and of being chosen to move up to the SEC.

I'm guessing that's why you didn't quote the post, since the point of this post was just to mischaracterize what I said.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by warpaint*

It would still be an excellent season & has already dispelled the myth we can't compete but it wouldn't be a championship one & wouldn't be any different than what they did in the Big 12. Winning the league would change the program's perception locally & nationally & be quite a breakthrough.

Yes obviously winning the league would be a huge accomplishment. Missouri hasn't done that since the old Big 8 days.

The only way to be truly accepted in whichever sport you choose to compete at the highest level in is to bust down the door. I think the current state of "disrespect" MU is getting by fellow SEC members and nationally right now was to be expected.

It will take a win to change that perception. Hopefully the Tigers fang et it done Saturday.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Obviously, the comment refers to being jealous of the specific accomplishments being spoken of. Missouri's putting themselves within 1 win of playing for a national championship in football this season, and of being chosen to move up to the SEC.

I'm guessing that's why you didn't quote the post, since the point of this post was just to mischaracterize what I said.

You and other MU fans seem to be the only ones carrying this "jealousy" banner. I understand you're on a high right now but please understand that no one is jealous of you in the Big 12. At least no one I've come in contact with.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Bambi

You and other MU fans seem to be the only ones carrying this "jealousy" banner. I understand you're on a high right now but please understand that no one is jealous of you in the Big 12. At least no one I've come in contact with.

Nobody twirling glow sticks and popping Mollies in New York is talking Mizzou football? Shocking

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Cochise

That would be laughable, since half the conference is ranked.

If.youre feeling down then go visit ShaggyBevo then

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Bambi

You and other MU fans seem to be the only ones carrying this "jealousy" banner. I understand you're on a high right now but please understand that no one is jealous of you in the Big 12. At least no one I've come in contact with.

Many haters don't want us to win b/c they want us in the toilet forever. It can't be lorded over that we've never won anything if we do, blah blah blah. That would be the very definition of a hater especially considering we're not in the same league anymore.

It's not a personal statement so no need for the individual defenses. I didn't mention anyone by name (nor did the guy who replied to me) in this thread by design b/c mostly it's people screwing around and none of us know each other. PB inserting himself and then mentioning hubris was deliciously ironic (unless of course he was talking about something else in which case I'm mistaken). But we all come in contact w/ the haters day to day at work/church/etc or see them in other places either online or on the radio, etc.

And then there are fans that don't care and some that are rooting for us b/c we've not won squat in ages.

Plenty of MU fans LOL'g the other night when KU lost to whomever it was in hoops. That I assure you. In fact I only knew about it b/c it was posted on our rivals board as I don't pay attention to hoops of any sort prior to conference play outside of the Braggin' Rights game.

I have had KU fans tell me to a man the gleeful text messages were flying during our 4th quarter collapse against South Carolina. No different.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Yes obviously winning the league would be a huge accomplishment. Missouri hasn't done that since the old Big 8 days.

The only way to be truly accepted in whichever sport you choose to compete at the highest level in is to bust down the door. I think the current state of "disrespect" MU is getting by fellow SEC members and nationally right now was to be expected.

It will take a win to change that perception. Hopefully the Tigers fang et it done Saturday.

Ya I think it's b/c people have an inflated view what it necessarily means to say one league like the SEC is better than the Big 12 (which isn't even true every season). We weren't jumping from the Big East to the Big 12 (a much bigger leap, the latter of which is always better than the former). We competed in the Big 12, no reason to think we wouldn't compete in the SEC but many thought we'd be the new Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Our problems last year were football centric, not conference centric but perception being what it was it was fuel to the fire.