Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 476

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 07-15-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Actually, that's quite easy to disprove. Here he is on May 7 telling me I'm wrong about demoting Moose to Omaha and that he's actually heating up:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...as#post9664710

I have a lot of posts better than that.

Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

Nightfyre · 07-15-2013, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

All of this. Moose periodically shows flashes, but maybe he needs to work on his swing in the minors. PB is the worst kind of troll. I have ignored him, because really, he adds nothing in the form of either actual baseball discussion or entertainment. If you're going to troll PB, you could at least be entertaining instead of annoying.

Prison Bitch · 07-15-2013, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

I know, and I turned out right. I do like your posts here though, you are a knowledgable fan. We need more of you in truth.

Deberg_1990 · 07-15-2013, 04:29 PM

IMO the Royals if they maintain, are in a pretty poor position for fans. Not bad enough to blow it up, but not good enough to be better than 3rd in their division. If they end up with 79-80 wins like I think....that just buys DM another year. Take that for what's it worth.

Oh, and we can't possibly go into next year and just hand the job to Moose if he shows no improvement. It's time to start thinking about alternate plans for 3rd base.

Sure-Oz · 07-15-2013, 05:14 PM

Parkins brought up a decent point that may seem obvious anyway....

Royals are 10 back or so by trade deadline they trade Santana, then DM isn't worried about his job.

If he hangs onto him then he def is scared he wont be back.

Ugh

mr. tegu · 07-15-2013, 06:55 PM

Okay so I'm going to take a look at the schedules for the rest of the year in hopes of maintaining a glimmer if hope. At this point I have no idea of the results.

Royals
Detroit - 11 (52-42)
Baltimore - 4 (53-43)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Boston - 4 (58-39)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Tampa Bay - 1 (55-41)
Toronto - 3 (45-49)
Seattle - 7 (43-52)
Cleveland - 6 (51-44)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Washington - 3 (48-47)

64 games (we must be missing some make up games or something because that is only 156 for us)
Opponents w/l % - .498
Games vs winning teams - 32
Games vs losing teams - 32

Detroit
KC - 11 (43-49)
Chicago - 16 (37-55)
Philadelphia - 3 (48-48)
Washington - 2 (48-47)
Cleveland - 7 (51-44)
Yankees - 3 (51-44)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Oakland - 4 (56-39)
Boston - 3 (58-39)
Seattle - 4 (43-52)
Florida - 3 (35-58)

65 games
Opponents w/l % - .487
Games vs winning teams - 22
Games vs losing teams - 43

Cleveland
KC - 6 (43-49)
Detroit - 7 (52-42)
Minnesota - 13 (39-53)
Seattle - 3 (43-52)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Anaheim - 6 (44-49)
Oakland - 3 (56-39)
Atlanta - 3 (54-41)
Baltimore - 3 (53-43)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Houston - 4 (33-61)

67 games
Opponents w/l % - .479
Games vs winning teams - 19
Games vs losing teams - 48

So wow at those numbers for Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't face a winning team after September 4th. Same with Detroit actually. The schedule clearly doesn't favor us. I guess the only "bright spot" is that 19 of our 31 games against winning teams are against Cleveland and Detroit. Regardless, I think I may have just destroyed any shred of hope that I might have had left.

GloryDayz · 07-15-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

All we have left in this city is bitching, please don't suggest we leave one guy out because there's nothing that will ever force him to sell or do something meaningful to have his team succeed. Much like the Hunt family, he's a greedy **** and should garner bad press at every turn. Those close to him should be allowed to hear the honest opinions of others so that when they're close to him, they can at least, if only silently, question the man. Someday, one of those people who is close to him will ask him why, other than being rich, he's such a loser. At some point in time I hope one of those people won't be a whore to the man and decide that sucking off his financial teet is their only option, and break ranks. So I think the open and honest public criticism needs to continue to feed that person the information they need to have that hopefully-not-private conversation with the ogre. The sooner one of those being paid hush-money of sorts breaks ranks, the sooner we might be a winning team.

At a minimum glASS should have the balls to be very public, and relentless in the media, with the sport's lack of sensible pay structure. I wonder how many weekly rants in the media from an owner it would take before the owners would try to vote him off the island. It ould be more fun to watch than his team is most of the time... And MY tax dollars go into the stadium where THAT team plays, so telling us to just not follow the team is bullshit. If my tax dollars support it, I can bitch about it. If he doesn't like it, move the ****ing team (regardless of his agreement).

I might suggest, if there's one thing worse, or equal to, baseball's lack of some sensible and enforceable salary equality is that there's nothing that can be done about deadbeat owners like glASS.

While I don't want to say that I started all I heard about today on the various AM radio shows, I will say that it's interesting after I brought-up the tax issue yesterday at 10:17AM there was a LOT of talk about taxes and fan's rights. Black-out-ending talk or not, all of it's about us having a certain freedom to talk about owners (all we want) because we built the house their team plays in...

I know, I know, none of the local sports TV and Radio jocks monitor this board, it's just a coincidence!

Well they're either monitoring this board for content (and I think that's very-much true), or I just happened to guess the issue of the day (the day before) and should have gone to the boats!

**SAUTO** · 07-15-2013, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

I appreciate your insight to the minor league players and everything else. Your worst post in this thread is still better than PB's best post.

X1000
Posted via Mobile Device

**lewdog** · 07-15-2013, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

I appreciate your insight to the minor league players and everything else. Your worst post in this thread is still better than PB's best post.

Gee, thanks captain obvious.

Nightfyre · 07-15-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Okay so I'm going to take a look at the schedules for the rest of the year in hopes of maintaining a glimmer if hope. At this point I have no idea of the results.

Royals
Detroit - 13 (52-42)
Baltimore - 4 (53-43)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Minnesota - 9 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Boston - 4 (58-39)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Tampa Bay - 1 (55-41)
Toronto - 3 (45-49)
Seattle - 7 (43-52)
Cleveland - 6 (51-44)
Texas - 3 (54-41)

66 games
Opponents w/l % - .498
Games vs winning teams - 31
Games vs losing teams - 35

Detroit
KC - 13 (43-49)
Chicago - 16 (37-55)
Philadelphia - 3 (48-48)
Washington - 2 (48-47)
Cleveland - 7 (51-44)
Yankees - 3 (51-44)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Oakland - 4 (56-39)
Boston - 3 (58-39)
Seattle - 4 (43-52)
Florida - 3 (35-58)

67 games
Opponents w/l % - .487
Games vs winning teams - 25
Games vs losing teams - 42

Cleveland
KC - 13 (43-49)
Detroit - 7 (52-42)
Minnesota - 13 (39-53)
Seattle - 3 (43-52)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Anaheim - 6 (44-49)
Oakland - 3 (56-39)
Atlanta - 3 (54-41)
Baltimore - 3 (53-43)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Houston - 4 (33-61)

64 games
Opponents w/l % - .479
Games vs winning teams - 19
Games vs losing teams - 45

So wow at those numbers for Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't face a winning team after September 4th. Same with Detroit actually. The schedule clearly doesn't favor us. I guess the only "bright spot" is that 19 of our 31 games against winning teams are against Cleveland and Detroit. Regardless, I think I may have just destroyed any shred of hope that I might have had left.

Not to nitpick, but how is it that the indians get to play us 13 times but we get to play them only 6 times?

Nightfyre · 07-15-2013, 10:59 PM

I'd bet Kipnis is on the PEDs:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-d...024447378.html

Quote:

“Definitely the old-school guys are gonna say 61,” Indians second baseman Jason Kipnis said. “But I almost might have to join them on 73, because when you start talking to players around the game, guys who played before you, I don’t think [Bonds] was the only one doing [PEDs]. I don’t think the pitchers were guilt-free, either, from what I hear. He was a product of his era. That’s what was going around the game at the time.
“You can put an asterisk there. You can do whatever you want. Fact is, the guy hit 73 home runs. Steroids were not hitting the baseball for him. It was impressive to watch, and you can’t take it away from him. The guy did it.”

mr. tegu · 07-16-2013, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Not to nitpick, but how is it that the indians get to play us 13 times but we get to play them only 6 times?

Details details. I went back and looked and the schedules on mlb.com are really messed up.

Prison Bitch · 07-16-2013, 08:00 AM

"Steroids weren't hitting the ball for him" Gawd I hate this logic that keeps being recycled. It's easy to destroy in 1 sentence: if there's no advantage to using steroids, why was Bonds using steroids?

sedated · 07-16-2013, 08:00 AM

So where's the outrage over those "classless" Mets fans booing Robinson Cano?

DeepSouth · 07-16-2013, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

Duncan, Totally different topic; Since you know more about the minors that most, what's the deal with Matt Fields? He's 27 and from what I can tell, never done much up to this point. But now, for the Naturals, he has 24 homers already this season. Is he a late bloomer, ballpark HR friendly, juicing, etc..... ? thanks,

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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07-15-2013, 04:29 PM	#7129
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $344454	IMO the Royals if they maintain, are in a pretty poor position for fans. Not bad enough to blow it up, but not good enough to be better than 3rd in their division. If they end up with 79-80 wins like I think....that just buys DM another year. Take that for what's it worth. Oh, and we can't possibly go into next year and just hand the job to Moose if he shows no improvement. It's time to start thinking about alternate plans for 3rd base. Last edited by Deberg_1990; 07-15-2013 at 06:17 PM..
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07-15-2013, 06:55 PM	#7131
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $-1658700	Okay so I'm going to take a look at the schedules for the rest of the year in hopes of maintaining a glimmer if hope. At this point I have no idea of the results. Royals Detroit - 11 (52-42) Baltimore - 4 (53-43) Chicago - 10 (37-55) Minnesota - 6 (39-53) Mets - 3 (41-50) Boston - 4 (58-39) Florida - 3 (35-58) Tampa Bay - 1 (55-41) Toronto - 3 (45-49) Seattle - 7 (43-52) Cleveland - 6 (51-44) Texas - 3 (54-41) Washington - 3 (48-47) 64 games (we must be missing some make up games or something because that is only 156 for us) Opponents w/l % - .498 Games vs winning teams - 32 Games vs losing teams - 32 Detroit KC - 11 (43-49) Chicago - 16 (37-55) Philadelphia - 3 (48-48) Washington - 2 (48-47) Cleveland - 7 (51-44) Yankees - 3 (51-44) Minnesota - 6 (39-53) Mets - 3 (41-50) Oakland - 4 (56-39) Boston - 3 (58-39) Seattle - 4 (43-52) Florida - 3 (35-58) 65 games Opponents w/l % - .487 Games vs winning teams - 22 Games vs losing teams - 43 Cleveland KC - 6 (43-49) Detroit - 7 (52-42) Minnesota - 13 (39-53) Seattle - 3 (43-52) Texas - 3 (54-41) Chicago - 10 (37-55) Florida - 3 (35-58) Anaheim - 6 (44-49) Oakland - 3 (56-39) Atlanta - 3 (54-41) Baltimore - 3 (53-43) Mets - 3 (41-50) Houston - 4 (33-61) 67 games Opponents w/l % - .479 Games vs winning teams - 19 Games vs losing teams - 48 So wow at those numbers for Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't face a winning team after September 4th. Same with Detroit actually. The schedule clearly doesn't favor us. I guess the only "bright spot" is that 19 of our 31 games against winning teams are against Cleveland and Detroit. Regardless, I think I may have just destroyed any shred of hope that I might have had left. Last edited by mr. tegu; 07-16-2013 at 07:34 AM.. Reason: The schedules are all jacked up on mlb.com.
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