*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

More to come!

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[Sassy Squatch]

They seem confident his medicals won't be a long term issue from the reports I'm reading. Better be right.

[kccrow]

Not a single ****ing brain cell in my body can support this pick right now. Not one. Absolutely ****ing mind boggling. I can't express how much I hate it.

I've seen a lot of shitty picks from this franchise in the past but this one has the potential to be among the top 5 absolute worst ever at an absolutely critical juncture.

They need to pray to baby Jesus that he defies all odds, and those odds are horrendous.

[KC Hawks]

Just not a fan of taking someone in the first round who won't help us next year.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

This is a home run. Especially getting a 5th to move back a spot. I would have been okay with moving up a few spots for him.

Dude would have been a top 10 pick.

We have a stop gap, and now… finally… our franchise LT

Picking up the fifth was phenomenal. Absolutely a homerun.

[Chieftain]

Andy seemed happy. Talent is there. Could be a major steal.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Love this. Especially not even having to trade up.

yep. traded down, got a free 5th, and picked up the best OT as far as the tape goes.

veach is a ****in baller.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

1) We were an injury away from starting Wanya again.

2) Moore may not be good enough, we don’t know.

3) Jawaan is gone after this year.

This makes all the sense in the world especially for an elite talent that may need time to ease in.

If nothing else, it would be cool if Simmons is healthy enough to be a solid Right Tackle when Taylor leaves next year. Even if he's damaged goods as a LT, maybe he can still be pretty helpful at the RT spot.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was goddamn stupid as hell and I have nothing more to add.

Good luck with hoping this guy does something that literally nobody in the history of the league has ever done - come back from a blown patella to be an effective staring tackle.

It's literally never happened.

But hey, super double grafts for the win, right?!?

Where’d you get your medical degree sir?

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

They seem confident his medicals won't be a long term issue from the reports I'm reading. Better be right.

I’m sure they did their homework- they know a lot more than any of us

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t have a single issue with the player or his ability. I really like him.

It’s literally the injury. That’s it. I’m terrified.

Yeah, but any player can sustain a serious injury. I wish they picked Conerly but Washington had to snag him away.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Will he be ready by training camp?

Doesn’t matter. Jaylon Moore and jawaan are here. And they’re exactly the type of guys you play right away but don’t feel too sorry if someone outplays them. Take your time with Simmons.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was goddamn stupid as hell and I have nothing more to add.

Good luck with hoping this guy does something that literally nobody in the history of the league has ever done - come back from a blown patella to be an effective staring tackle.

It's literally never happened.

But hey, super double grafts for the win, right?!?

LIES….Stop the hate!

[Hammock Parties]

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You guys please just give it a chance and trust these guys.

Like we did with Skyy Moore?

You'd have backed any swinging dick they took.

No, I absolutely will not ignore literally every single data point that has EVER existed.

This is ****ing dumb.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.