Chiefs Blob Gretz = IT'S A TOUGH, LONG FIGHT - Page 4

teedubya · 09-17-2008, 04:31 AM

IT'S A TOUGH, LONG FIGHT
SEP 17, 2008, 5:04:21 AM BY BOB GRETZ - FAQ

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/09...gh_long_fight/

Let me start by writing about the Battle of the Bulge.

No, not the pivotal moment in World War II when the Germans made a last ditch effort to turn the tide of the war with an offensive against the Allies in France and Belgium. This epistle is about the battle tens of millions of Americans fight on a daily basis. I’m writing about the fight to lose weight.

How many times have you said “Starting (fill in the date) I’m going on a diet and I’m going to exercise and I’m going to lose (fill in the amount) pounds.” That start-day comes, you are motivated and prepared and for a few days, you eat less and work out more. But then your will wanes and you sneak a little something sweet here, and a little something salty there. It’s just a little; it can’t hurt.

Before you know it, you are back where you started.

I use this tale in relation to where the Chiefs and their fans are after two games of the 2008 season.

Before all this got started, Herm Edwards spoke for months – make that years – that the Chiefs needed to get younger. When the bottom dropped out of last season and the team finished 4-12, it provided the perfect storm. The roster was trimmed, draft choices were accumulated and the rebuilding through youth began.

Based on the e-mail and conversations I had with hundreds of Chiefs fans, the strategy was considered a winner. Most liked the idea that the direction of the team was changed and a group of young players would drive the future.

When a team goes in this direction, there is no going halfway. That would be a giant waste of time. You don’t dip your foot in the rebuilding through youth pool. It’s got to be a head first dive into the deep end.

But it’s one thing to say you are going young and rebuilding. It’s quite another thing to live through the efforts. They are not pretty. They do not always go well. There are ups and downs that wreck the stomach and create anger, second guessing, panic and delusions.

I write this only because I’ve read the e-mails I’ve received here at kcchiefs.com and at my own website, bobgretz.com. I’ve heard a few callers on sports talk radio. I’ve seen the writings and heard the rumblings of various pundits. There is outrage, there is anger, there is second guessing, there is panic and there are delusions.

Going young suddenly doesn’t seem to be the way to go. Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign somebody, anybody. Others want somebody fired. It doesn’t matter who. They just want someone called on the carpet, head placed in the guillotine to answer for being 0-2 and losing as badly as the Chiefs did last Sunday to the Raiders.

Listen, the team’s performance against Oakland was without a doubt woeful. It was not up to the standards the team established the week before in losing to New England.

But it was but one picture in a series of 16 pictures that will make up the gallery of the 2008 Chiefs season. Those pictures very well may be a series of ups and downs as young players get their feet under them and learn the business of playing pro football. What few older bodies remain will play their way out of the picture or suffer injury that steals their availability.

This is what rebuilding looks like. It’s a dirty, stinkin’, gut-wrenching business, as difficult as anything there is to do in the game of football.

Some would say the Chiefs aren’t rebuilding, they are building. But that’s semantics. What the Chiefs had here for the better part of the last 18 years was winning football. It wasn’t the ultimate success, it wasn’t championship football, but there were more victories than defeat. There was always hope of something better. Eventually, there was a desire for something more concrete than hope.

Right now the Chiefs are trying to re-build a winning football team, one that will be good for years and will challenge for a championship. They easily could have gone out and signed various veteran free agents and put together a more experienced team that would go 9-7, maybe 10-6 and slip into the playoffs every once in awhile.

Would that be satisfying?

From personal experience, I can tell you the only way to lose weight is to eat less and use more energy and that must become a lifestyle, not a momentary thing.

The Chiefs have made a lifestyle change. There are going to moments of hunger, but the goal is better health and a winning football team.

It’s not time to start cheating.

**luv** · 09-17-2008, 10:05 AM

Just to clarify....

I agree that a loss is a loss, but doesn't a loss to a division rival carry a little more weight? I mean, you could lose to everyone you play outside your division, but, as long as you have the best division record, you've got a wild card spot, right? Or am I confusing myself?

Hammock Parties · 09-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Just to clarify....

I agree that a loss is a loss, but doesn't a loss to a division rival carry a little more weight? I mean, you could lose to everyone you play outside your division, but, as long as you have the best division record, you've got a wild card spot, right? Or am I confusing myself?

Yes, BUT, just sweeping your division doesn't mean you win it. You have to have the best overall record in the division.

**HemiEd** · 09-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

Huard. It's asinine to run out Thigpen. They ARE trying to win.

Fortunately he won't be out there unless Huard gets hurt again. Seriously, Croyle was better last year than Thigpen has ever been.

I would rather see them give Thigpen time, than trot Huard back out there. WTF is the point of putting Huard out there? We know what he is, and that is not what the team needs to be a contender.

I am convinced, Thigpen can get it, and has much more potential than trotting a never has been out there.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Just to clarify....

I agree that a loss is a loss, but doesn't a loss to a division rival carry a little more weight? I mean, you could lose to everyone you play outside your division, but, as long as you have the best division record, you've got a wild card spot, right? Or am I confusing myself?

In most years, yeah, that's somewhat right. If we were a playoff caliber team, then the loss would be devastating. Division losses are generally bad.

But in 2008, with this team, it means absolutely nothing.

milkman · 09-17-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Just to clarify....

I agree that a loss is a loss, but doesn't a loss to a division rival carry a little more weight? I mean, you could lose to everyone you play outside your division, but, as long as you have the best division record, you've got a wild card spot, right? Or am I confusing myself?

No.

You would be 6-10 in that scenario, and wild cards are the non division winners with the best record.

Hammock Parties · 09-17-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

WTF is the point of putting Huard out there?

It's a business of winning.

When 80,000 fans want Herm's blood, you don't trot out the pride of coastal carolina.

FAX · 09-17-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No offense, Phil, but that was a typical fan response.

Since when do games against the Raiders count for more in the standings?

Would we have gotten credit for 2 wins had we beat them?

Rivalrys are for fans.

The team didn't seem to be prepared, I'll give you that - but you're insinuating that it wouldn't be as big of a deal had it not been against the Raiders.

A loss is a loss, period.

And for crying out loud, Jason Garrett is being paid Head Coach money by Jerry Jones to keep him from taking another job - the job in Dallas is his, as early as next season.

Jason Garrett, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher.

Cross them off your list. Not coming here.

Division opponent, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. Division opponent.

FAX

milkman · 09-17-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

Yes, BUT, just sweeping your division doesn't mean you win it. You have to have the best overall record in the division.

This would be the correct answer if she asked if you'd win the division.

Chiefshrink · 09-17-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Your assuming that Carl would make Gailey, who's a relative outside to the organization the HC, versus Gunther, who has a long history with the team.

If Carl's proven anything over the last 19 years, it's that the good 'ole boy network is not to be deviated from.

Would Gunther be stupid enough to get the shaft 2wice from Carl just being a fill in on top of how Gunther found out? I agree about the good'ole boy network

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2008, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

Division opponent, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. Division opponent.

FAX

Which would matter if we're a playoff caliber team.

We're obviously not.

So a loss to Oakland isn't any different than a loss to Atlanta. Or New England. Or anyone else.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Would Gunther be stupid enough to get the shaft 2wice from Carl just being a fill in on top of how Gunther found out? I agree about the good'ole boy network

Uh, yeah.

See above posts.

Frazod · 09-17-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Bob Gretz really doesn't like fans, does he?

Well, I can't say I blame him.

If it wasn't for us, he wouldn't have to lie for a living.

Hammock Parties · 09-17-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

This would be the correct answer if she asked if you'd win the division.

Division winners are guaranteed a wild card home playoff game. That's kind of what she was asking.

bobbything · 09-17-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

The problem we have is that there isn't a single bulb to found among the coaches.

I agree. I think it's reflecting on the players.

philfree · 09-17-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No offense, Phil, but that was a typical fan response.

Since when do games against the Raiders count for more in the standings?

Would we have gotten credit for 2 wins had we beat them?

Rivalrys are for fans.

The team didn't seem to be prepared, I'll give you that - but you're insinuating that it wouldn't be as big of a deal had it not been against the Raiders.

A loss is a loss, period.

And for crying out loud, Jason Garrett is being paid Head Coach money by Jerry Jones to keep him from taking another job - the job in Dallas is his, as early as next season.

Jason Garrett, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher.

Cross them off your list. Not coming here.

I really didn't say Raiders I said division oponent. And division games are a little more important then non-division games. Well.... if you're trying to win your division. Being totally unprepared last week is inexcusable. Being that unprepared to play any week is inexcusable. We seemed prepared againt the Patriots so I was fine with Herm till then but I'm not now because of his performance.

Quote:

No offense, Phil, but that was a typical fan response.

And you're some superior type of fan? LOL

PhilFree

09-17-2008, 04:31 AM
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9023042	Blob Gretz = IT'S A TOUGH, LONG FIGHT IT'S A TOUGH, LONG FIGHT SEP 17, 2008, 5:04:21 AM BY BOB GRETZ - FAQ http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/09...gh_long_fight/ Let me start by writing about the Battle of the Bulge. No, not the pivotal moment in World War II when the Germans made a last ditch effort to turn the tide of the war with an offensive against the Allies in France and Belgium. This epistle is about the battle tens of millions of Americans fight on a daily basis. I’m writing about the fight to lose weight. How many times have you said “Starting (fill in the date) I’m going on a diet and I’m going to exercise and I’m going to lose (fill in the amount) pounds.” That start-day comes, you are motivated and prepared and for a few days, you eat less and work out more. But then your will wanes and you sneak a little something sweet here, and a little something salty there. It’s just a little; it can’t hurt. Before you know it, you are back where you started. I use this tale in relation to where the Chiefs and their fans are after two games of the 2008 season. Before all this got started, Herm Edwards spoke for months – make that years – that the Chiefs needed to get younger. When the bottom dropped out of last season and the team finished 4-12, it provided the perfect storm. The roster was trimmed, draft choices were accumulated and the rebuilding through youth began. Based on the e-mail and conversations I had with hundreds of Chiefs fans, the strategy was considered a winner. Most liked the idea that the direction of the team was changed and a group of young players would drive the future. When a team goes in this direction, there is no going halfway. That would be a giant waste of time. You don’t dip your foot in the rebuilding through youth pool. It’s got to be a head first dive into the deep end. But it’s one thing to say you are going young and rebuilding. It’s quite another thing to live through the efforts. They are not pretty. They do not always go well. There are ups and downs that wreck the stomach and create anger, second guessing, panic and delusions. I write this only because I’ve read the e-mails I’ve received here at kcchiefs.com and at my own website, bobgretz.com. I’ve heard a few callers on sports talk radio. I’ve seen the writings and heard the rumblings of various pundits. There is outrage, there is anger, there is second guessing, there is panic and there are delusions. Going young suddenly doesn’t seem to be the way to go. Fans want the Chiefs to go out and sign somebody, anybody. Others want somebody fired. It doesn’t matter who. They just want someone called on the carpet, head placed in the guillotine to answer for being 0-2 and losing as badly as the Chiefs did last Sunday to the Raiders. Listen, the team’s performance against Oakland was without a doubt woeful. It was not up to the standards the team established the week before in losing to New England. But it was but one picture in a series of 16 pictures that will make up the gallery of the 2008 Chiefs season. Those pictures very well may be a series of ups and downs as young players get their feet under them and learn the business of playing pro football. What few older bodies remain will play their way out of the picture or suffer injury that steals their availability. This is what rebuilding looks like. It’s a dirty, stinkin’, gut-wrenching business, as difficult as anything there is to do in the game of football. Some would say the Chiefs aren’t rebuilding, they are building. But that’s semantics. What the Chiefs had here for the better part of the last 18 years was winning football. It wasn’t the ultimate success, it wasn’t championship football, but there were more victories than defeat. There was always hope of something better. Eventually, there was a desire for something more concrete than hope. Right now the Chiefs are trying to re-build a winning football team, one that will be good for years and will challenge for a championship. They easily could have gone out and signed various veteran free agents and put together a more experienced team that would go 9-7, maybe 10-6 and slip into the playoffs every once in awhile. Would that be satisfying? From personal experience, I can tell you the only way to lose weight is to eat less and use more energy and that must become a lifestyle, not a momentary thing. The Chiefs have made a lifestyle change. There are going to moments of hunger, but the goal is better health and a winning football team. It’s not time to start cheating.
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luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1150000	Just to clarify.... I agree that a loss is a loss, but doesn't a loss to a division rival carry a little more weight? I mean, you could lose to everyone you play outside your division, but, as long as you have the best division record, you've got a wild card spot, right? Or am I confusing myself?
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