Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Mentioned it a month ago when it became apparent that Watson was returning - this is the exact type of matchup where his difference can really show.

Instead of staring down the barrel of consistent Nazeeh Johnson vs. AJ Brown or Devonta Smith matchups... now that isn't the case. Game changer. The onus is on Hurts again to make exceptional throws, which to his credit he did two years ago.

Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game.

The Eagles top weapons are great, but it’s all JAGs after that.

It’s a very top heavy group, which is probably good since our DBs are top heavy as well.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

Goedert is the concern. Because if you go by snap counts, it sets up for him to be covered potentially by Conner a lot.

We need to avoid that. Let Reid and/or Hicks do more there.

[Mahomes007]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

One of Cook, Nazeeh, or Conner does not have to be out there, ready to be exploited.

It is Spag’s decisions, point blank.

We have McDuffie, Watson and Williams at CB. Justin Reid and Hicks at Safeties. Even Roland-Wallace at nickel, if they go that route.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

The Eagles top weapons are great, but it’s all JAGs after that.

It’s a very top heavy group, which is probably good since our DBs are top heavy as well.

Mack Hollins and Curtis Samuel didn't do much in the regular season but made key 3rd and long and 4th and long conversions during breakdowns in coverage. Cook gave Hollins too much space on a 3rd and long during Buffalo's last TD drive, and Tranquill let Samuel run free on the 4th down TD.

It's also true that the Eagles have no WRs of any kind besides Brown/Smith. I'm hoping Goedert gets a lot of attention from Spags because he's capable of getting lost in the secondary with so much focus on stopping the run and containing their WRs.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Mahomes007

One of Cook, Nazeeh, or Conner does not have to be out there, ready to be exploited.

It is Spag’s decisions, point blank.

We have McDuffie, Watson and Williams at CB. Justin Reid and Hicks at Safeties. Even Roland-Wallace at nickel, if they go that route.

Yeah, I'd like to see Hicks take Cook's place and Williams take Connor/Johnson's snaps. Hicks is at least more athletic than Cook, which you need against these weapons.

Connor should get more snaps at safety next year, especially if Reid doesn't return. Wasn't that his college position?

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Mack Hollins and Curtis Samuel didn't do much in the regular season but made key 3rd and long and 4th and long conversions during breakdowns in coverage. Cook gave Hollins too much space on a 3rd and long during Buffalo's last TD drive, and Tranquill let Samuel run free on the 4th down TD.

It's also true that the Eagles have no WRs of any kind besides Brown/Smith. I'm hoping Goedert gets a lot of attention from Spags because he's capable of getting lost in the secondary with so much focus on stopping the run and containing their WRs.

You’re also talking about Josh Allen taking the time to work through his reads and find the open guys vs Jalen Hurts doing the same.

Jalen Hurts was sacked almost 40 times this year (more than Mahomes in fewer games). I don’t think that’s reflective of his OL either.

If he’s forced to work for it, he tends to **** it up.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Mahomes007

One of Cook, Nazeeh, or Conner does not have to be out there, ready to be exploited.

It is Spag’s decisions, point blank.

We have McDuffie, Watson and Williams at CB. Justin Reid and Hicks at Safeties. Even Roland-Wallace at nickel, if they go that route.

People need to stop including Williams in these discussions. In the two playoff games he has as many snaps on defense as you or I do.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

You’re also talking about Josh Allen taking the time to work through his reads and find the open guys vs Jalen Hurts doing the same.

Jalen Hurts was sacked almost 40 times this year (more than Mahomes in fewer games). I don’t think that’s reflective of his OL either.

If he’s forced to work for it, he tends to **** it up.

True. Allen was hardly sacked all year. I don't think we got him once either. Hurts does hold the ball too long.

The last SB meeting had no sacks, despite both teams leading the league during the regular season. A lot of that was because of the field conditions though.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

That defense had zero talent. All of the talent was on the offensive side of the ball.

I guess my point was that on that play, 3 defenders (or was it 4?) went to the middle with Kelce while Rice ran free across the short filed for an easy TD.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I keep thinking back to that MNF matchup last year where we really had their OL/Hurts in hell and if we can replicate that... nighty night.

Now, if our offense stinks, they'll still be in it. But for the reasons we've already discussed this morning, I don't foresee that.

I think our WRs are a little better than Kadarious Toney and Skye Moore.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

People need to stop including Williams in these discussions. In the two playoff games he has as many snaps on defense as you or I do.

He's in the doghouse for whatever reason. Which is strange considering he has more experience than both Johnson and Connor combined playing CB in big games. He hasn't sucked when called upon this year either.

[Red Dawg]

Spags will have the best plan he can make. Up to the players to execute it.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

If he’s forced to work for it, he tends to **** it up.

Was't it Brady who said during the NFCCG that Hurts tends to get in trouble if he holds onto the ball too long?

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

True. Allen was hardly sacked all year. I don't think we got him once either. Hurts does hold the ball too long.

The last SB meeting had no sacks, despite both teams leading the league during the regular season. A lot of that was because of the field conditions though.

Chiefs sacked Allen twice.

I remember Danna’s strip.

Wharton was also credited with 1, but I don’t recall it. Must’ve been a scramble that got stopped short of the line or something.

Chiefs hit Allen 8 times though. That’ll equal more than 2 “sacks” against Hurts.