Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[kccrow]

Before I do my trades, are we going to argue over 0.3 points?

Basically, my pick discounted at 65% yields 344.5 and the 3 picks in return net 344.8.

65% is already an incredibly stupid number, just wondering if we have to come in exact or under...


Edit, nevermind (kinda), I added wrong and it comes to 343.8. In any event, would still like to know if that small amount matters.

[kccrow]

Alrighty... Did more thinking and here's what I've decided on...

To start out with, I'm going to accept both of the Chiefs trades.

I'm then going to initiate a trade up with Cleveland to move from 105 to 99 and involves the following picks:

Chiefs Receive
4-1 (99th pick) = 104
4-31 (129th pick) = 43
7-29 (250th pick) = 2
Total = 149

Browns Receive
4-7 (105th pick) = 84*85% = 71.4
4-8 (106th pick) = 82*85% = 69.7
6-28 (203rd pick) = 10.2*85% = 8.7
Total = 149.8


Draft
2-6 (37th pick) - Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh (Bengals, 55)
I felt like the Chiefs needed a guy that could come in and be a #2 receiver right away rather than taking a 4th defensive lineman. Boyd also has return ability.
3-11 (74th pick) - KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (Chiefs, 74)
I love the Chiefs' original pick here, Russell could come in and start right away either outside or in the slot.
4-1 (99th pick) - Joshua Perry, ILB, Ohio State (Chargers, 102)
I think Perry was damn underrated in the draft and was infuriated when KC didn't move up to snag him. This guy can do everything at a starter's level.
4-28 (126th pick) - Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (Broncos, 144)
Another guy that slid too far in the real draft, he's got potential to be stud. KC needs competition for a starting guard spot this year and McGovern has the strength to do it.
4-31 (129th pick) - Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (Ravens, 146)
I'm not sure if Dee Ford is actually going to make it yet or not and the Chiefs also have Justin Houston set to miss significant time. The backups don't inspire confidence. I considered Spence for a while at 37. Judon has Houston-like measurables and great production at his level.
5-25 (162nd pick) - Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State (Browns, 172)
Higgins is the most underrated receiver in the draft and has starter potential. I double-down on potential at receiver.
5-28 (165th pick) - Fahn Cooper, OT/OG, Ole Miss (49ers, 174)
I felt like KC should have double-dipped on the O-line. They need guys to push for starting guard spots and a backup swing tackle. Cooper fits the bill.
6-3 (178th pick) - D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (Chiefs, 178)
Another pick of KC's that I loved is White. Physical for his size, sticky in man, and decent ball skills.
7-29 (250th pick) - Kalan Reed, CB, Southern Miss (Titans, 253)
Can't believe Reed dropped to the end of the draft. I had Reed pegged as a 2nd to 3rd round talent. I'll take him here and, like the Chiefs, go for the hat trick on DBs.

[The Franchise]

Tyler Boyd doesn't play for ND.

[chiefscafan]

Rain man my teams QB situation is still screwed but I'm gonna have one hell of a D.


Those are the Chiefs picks I like. I like Vernon Adams and feel he is worth a stash on my roster. Myles Jack will be amazing in this D.

Not a fan of billings or Westerman and I'm fine with Poe and Howard for now.


Plus on the Westerman subject I have the luxury of hitting on three OGs in last two drafts Gabe Jackson, Ali Marpet, and L'ael Collins.

[chiefscafan]

So was Donald Stephenson cut or do we just lose him

[wazu]

Going to continue rejecting the decisions that the Chiefs make in favor of my own bad decisions, as this tends to ensure that the players the Chiefs draft will become stars and make me regret my decision.

I have McCray on my roster, I'll trade him for the 5th pick. I will reject both of the Chiefs trade-downs. I will then make the following trade UP:

Sending my 28th pick (valued at 660) to Pittsburgh for their 25th pick (valued at 828 after 15% penalty) I owe 168 points to Pittsburgh after swapping these two picks.
Sending my 59th pick (valued at 201 after 35% penalty) to Pittsburgh for the 123rd pick (valued at 49 points) I still owe the Pittsburgh 16 points
Sending my 162nd pick (valued at 17 after 35% penalty) to Pittsburgh

1-25 (25th pick) QB Paxton Lynch (Broncos)

I was just sick to see the Broncos get this guy right in front of us. I can't let it go, and in this forum I don't have to. I strongly considered making the safer move and following the Chiefs here since it was going to cost me so much to move up. But ultimately I did what I always do.

4-25 (123rd pick) RB Kenneth Dixon (Ravens)

I somehow missed out on the West/Ware train, so I shopped for a potential successor to Jamaal Charles in the later rounds of the draft. This guy sounded like he had the most potential to blow up.

6-28 (203rd pick) WR Mike Thomas (Rams)

I considered going with Dadi Stephens here, but again, I want the guy to be successful.

7-28 (249th pick) CB Kalan Reed (Titans)

Heard a lot of buzz about this year's Mr. Irrelevant, so taking a flyer.

[wazu]

Now that mine is done, I am honestly just now reviewing everybody else's draft. Apparently I'm not the only one who leans heavily on PFF.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Tyler Boyd doesn't play for ND.

Doh! I shouldn't do these things when drinking.

[The Franchise]

I'll probably have to trade up for a QB next year.....depending on where we are picking at.

I wish you could trade players. I know it would be impossible to manage though.

[kccrow]

The post-draft trade down penalty is also a bit steep, but I understand the reasoning. Losing 10 extra picks to trade down from 28 is a bit heavy though. I'd have to think 5% on a trade up and 15% on a trade down would have been significantly more "realistic." This is very much the reason I avoided a trade down, other than what the Chiefs actually did, like the plague. It's hard to predict how the draft will fall to avoid the penalty.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'll probably have to trade up for a QB next year.....depending on where we are picking at.

I wish you could trade players. I know it would be impossible to manage though.

Same. I just didn't like Hogan enough to keep him as a draft pick. Thought about taking Dak Prescott though, as he reminds me alot of Donovan McNabb.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The post-draft trade down penalty is also a bit steep, but I understand the reasoning. Losing 10 extra picks to trade down from 28 is a bit heavy though. I'd have to think 5% on a trade up and 15% on a trade down would have been significantly more "realistic." This is very much the reason I avoided a trade down, other than what the Chiefs actually did, like the plague. It's hard to predict how the draft will fall to avoid the penalty.

It's a balancing act it's a tremendous advantage to say what you would've done after its all over.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'll probably have to trade up for a QB next year.....depending on where we are picking at.

I wish you could trade players. I know it would be impossible to manage though.

I'm not sure there's any reason we couldn't trade picks/players between owners. The people that play here all act in good faith, and Rain Man has final word.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

So was Donald Stephenson cut or do we just lose him

I think he left as a free agent, so you just lose him. (Insert losing game show horn here.)

The good news is that you'll pick up Mitchell Schwartz since he came as a free agent.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Before I do my trades, are we going to argue over 0.3 points?

Basically, my pick discounted at 65% yields 344.5 and the 3 picks in return net 344.8.

65% is already an incredibly stupid number, just wondering if we have to come in exact or under...


Edit, nevermind (kinda), I added wrong and it comes to 343.8. In any event, would still like to know if that small amount matters.

Yep, you have to give up an equal or greater number of points. No exceptions. (I tried to do a trade down and believe it or not, I was 0.1 points off on a pretty big trade. I was annoyed because I couldn't get that 0.1 without giving up a lot more.)