Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[dlphg9]

I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by Fishels

I have a feeling Tom is on our side. With his black magic mixed with Mahomes we might already have this thing locked up.

I doubt it. No way he wants to see Mahomes three-peat when he couldn't do it.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

TV ratings don't reveal why people watch us. There are so many that watch us hoping we'll lose that they affect the ratings. Who cares why they watch so long as they watch. Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Philly starting Oren Burks could be big. No one makes linebackers looks lost and confused more than Andy Reid.

With what Philly has at corner, it’s going to make sense to attack LB early on as they try to make them second guess.

And even if we aren’t consistently winning outside, you’re always just one play away from Worthy or Brown killing you in a one-on-one spot.

The corners are interesting because as well as Mitchell had played he's been burned deep a fair few times. Especially by Mclaurin. And Slay is a vet but can he stay with Worthy or Brown? They don't have a third LB they trust to go into base so as I mentioned above 12 personnel could could be very interesting.

Also Rams had 402 yards of offense despite giving up the ball twice. Washington had 350 and 368 total yards respecfully despite giving up the ball NINE TIMES during the last two meetings. The key is the turnovers.

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

It's global. Their hissy boycott is pissing in the ocean

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Will we go heavy Nickel & Heavy Dime a lot in this game?

I feel like having extra Safeties on the field would help with both coverage of Goedert, as well as supporting with the speed and tackling required with Barkley.

I'd be all for a lot of Dime actually if they put Hicks out there instead of Conner as that 3rd safety and Williams out there at CB instead of Johnson.

I feel like Watson/Williams on the outside with McDuffie in the slot to go with Hicks and Cook as the deep safeties with Reid in the box would be a really good matchup against that offense. That puts a lot of really good tackling DBs on the field and puts your best two blitzing DBs in a position to do it.

That said, they are going to be a tough offense to defend and I don't recall those that had success against them using a lot of Dime. We probably need to study a lot of what Baltimore did in Week 13, because they win if Tucker doesn't leave an XP and two FGs on the field, and I think what Green Bay did in the first round of the playoffs (I thought they played a healthy dose of nickel).

I'm not worried offensively. We know how to beat Fangio's zone and they are really susceptible to that intermediate passing game.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'd be all for a lot of Dime actually if they put Hicks out there instead of Conner as that 3rd safety and Williams out there at CB instead of Johnson.

I feel like Watson/Williams on the outside with McDuffie in the slot to go with Hicks and Cook as the deep safeties with Reid in the box would be a really good matchup against that offense. That puts a lot of really good tackling DBs on the field and puts your best two blitzing DBs in a position to do it.

That said, they are going to be a tough offense to defend and I don't recall those that had success against them using a lot of Dime. We probably need to study a lot of what Baltimore did in Week 13, because they win if Tucker doesn't leave an XP and two FGs on the field, and I think what Green Bay did in the first round of the playoffs (I thought they played a healthy dose of nickel).

I'm not worried offensively. We know how to beat Fangio's zone and they are really susceptible to that intermediate passing game.

Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Exactly. They play bully ball. If you punch them in the mouth, everything changes.

Like the Ravens last year?

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

Packers and Chiefs have similar run defenses.

Eagles only sustained one long TD drive in that game. Packers turned the ball over way too much but still held the Eagles to 22.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

The corners are interesting because as well as Mitchell had played he's been burned deep a fair few times. Especially by Mclaurin. And Slay is a vet but can he stay with Worthy or Brown? They don't have a third LB they trust to go into base so as I mentioned above 12 personnel could could be very interesting.

Also Rams had 402 yards of offense despite giving up the ball twice. Washington had 350 and 368 total yards respecfully despite giving up the ball NINE TIMES during the last two meetings. The key is the turnovers.

Definitely grateful those two offenses put some good stuff on tape as for attacking Philly's D.

And you know on top of that, Andy and his guys will find a couple wrinkles that gave them trouble earlier in the season and dig those back up (like the formation vs. BUF Sunday, or Corn Dog from two years ago).

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

Probably a lot like stopping the Ravens. A little better OLine, a little worse QB, Barkley v Henry...it really comes down to stopping the run game and getting them into have to pass situations.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Definitely grateful those two offenses put some good stuff on tape as for attacking Philly's D.

And you know on top of that, Andy and his guys will find a couple wrinkles that gave them trouble earlier in the season and dig those back up (like the formation vs. BUF Sunday, or Corn Dog from two years ago).

I was thinking a couple days ago that we'll see some variations of Corn Dog. I can't imagine that the Eagles won't be ready for that particular play this time around, but that would make them uniquely vulnerable to deception. They might be so keyed on stopping that particular variation of the play that it leaves them defenseless in some other way.

[smithandrew051]

Turnovers are key. Eagles are +10 (10-0) in turnover differential with all 3 games remaining close for awhile at least (Commanders got out of hand late obviously).

Chiefs are -1 (0-1).

The Bills recovering all 5 fumbles is just ridiculous luck. Chiefs also should have had at least 1 pick against the Bills and Texans (Reid got banged up running into Watson who would’ve had an easy one).

Interesting thing is that the Eagles were only slightly better at taking the ball away than the Chiefs during the regular season. Eagles had 26, Chiefs had 20. Eagles gave it away 15 times, Chiefs gave it away 14 times.

10 in 3 games is a huge number for a team that averaged around 1 and a half per game during the regular season. Especially, when you consider that the playoff teams should be better competition than what they faced on average during the year.

If turnover differential is even or leans Chiefs in the Super Bowl, Eagles will be in trouble.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

I was thinking a couple days ago that we'll see some variations of Corn Dog. I can't imagine that the Eagles won't be ready for that particular play this time around, but that would make them uniquely vulnerable to deception. They might be so keyed on stopping that particular variation of the play that it leaves them defenseless in some other way.

Could just a false impression but after watching over a decade of Andy Reid offense, it seems like we do really well with over aggressive fronts and I think Philly may fall into that category. They love to get upfield quick and that's something a good schemer can really take advantage of with two weeks to prepare.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Could just a false impression but after watching over a decade of Andy Reid offense, it seems like we do really well with over aggressive fronts and I think Philly may fall into that category. They love to get upfield quick and that's something a good schemer can really take advantage of with two weeks to prepare.

It’s no mystery that Hardman has had some great games against the 49ers.

He isn’t the main focus but can make explosive plays “against the grain” using their aggressiveness against them.

That’s all Andy.