QB Impressions

[Direckshun]

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You are a scared, pussy knowmo

[DJ's left nut]

People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team until he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid made gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

People have been mis-stating 'What Andy Reid looks for in his quarterbacks' for years. Andy Reid has had ONE rote, robotic quarterback under center for him in a 20 year career. One. Alex Smith.

Meanwhile he's had his greatest successes with aggressive, improvisational passers who can take the bedrock principles of his offense, use them when they're available and pull something from the fire when they're not.

I absolutely believe that he came to KC and wanted someone that would just do what's on the paper because he came into a franchise in turmoil and lets be honest, Reid's last couple of years in Philly weren't exactly sterling. He wanted to make sure he still had it and the way to do that was work with a steady variable under center.

He has the franchise back on track and he has his confidence back. He knows that this hard-wired, by the letters quarterbacking isn't going to work anymore in an NFL where defenses can only succeed by creating a maelstrom of shit for the QB to wade through. You can't blow guys up over the middle to dislodge the ball anymore. You can't rough up WRs in their routes (or even touch them, really). So you have to just create havoc and Smith was simply not handling that havoc well.

Reid saw it. He knew it. He's a 59 year old man that didn't spent the next 2 first rounders on a guy that's not going to do anything to help this team until he's gumming his dinners. Because if Mahomes sits for 2, he still needs the 3rd year of live fire before you know anything. You think Andy Reid made gave up 2 picks so he could have a guy ready to rock in ****ing 2020?

What a bunch of idiocy. I think Andy Reid drafted Mahomes with the belief that there's a chance, albeit small, that Mahomes starts THIS YEAR. Not on day 1, but by week 17.

Agree totally!

[RunKC]

Agree wholeheartedly DJ. I think they immediately get Andy, Nagy, Chilly and Kafka around this kid at all times starting this weekend.
Get the playbook down and work on the mechanics non-stop all the time, every minute of every practice.

I'm completely fine with him playing by Thanksgiving or later IF he shows he's ready in preseason. I would prefer to not play him this year, but if he's lighting it up in camp and preseason? Woo boy

[Quesadilla Joe]

On the Favre, Mahomes comparisons, remember: only guy in history who thrived playing to degree of gunslinger as Favre played is….Favre.

— Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) May 3, 2017

One of Favre’s former coaches on the QB’s football IQ: he could do calculus but he couldn’t add or subtract.

— Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) May 3, 2017

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Who the **** is Andy Benoit??? Trolling turd. You are scared shitless of Mahomes/Reid.

[Quesadilla Joe]

From Albert Breer...

4. Patrick Mahomes landed in the perfect spot. How long will it be before Mahomes sees the field in Kansas City? Here’s how one Chiefs staffer explained it to me—they won’t think about it until he’s going to the line of scrimmage looking at what the defense is doing rather than thinking about what the offense is doing. In other words, he has to understand the playbook well enough to not just know but understand the ins and outs of all the plays, to point where he gets how to attack whatever defense is being thrown at him. And based on Mahomes’ background, it’ll probably be more than a year before he gets there.

Of course, there are reasons why they drafted him in the first place. Once the Chiefs flipped on the Mahomes tape, they had trouble turning it off. It was unconventional. It was mesmerizing. It didn’t translate that well to the NFL on surface. But what caught the eye of the Chiefs coaches was the way he improved on a week-to-week basis, slowly looking more and more natural, and less mechanical, running Kliff Kingsbury’s offense. Then they got him in the building, and love his unscripted, authentic way. And the truth is that Mahomes should be reciprocating that love to the Chiefs for drafting him. He gets to sit and learn this year—working on tying his footwork to the offense’s routes and learning the system—without the Chiefs having much pressure to play him. Then, they can come back and reassess next spring.

Will Kansas City stick to the plan to redshirt? History says most teams don’t. But Andy Reid’s job security added to Alex Smith’s presence says that, at least on the surface of it, this situation might be different.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/04/d...draft-notebook

[Quesadilla Joe]

Also from Breer, about the 2018 QB class...

We’ve been over how forcing a quarterback investment in the wrong year can be catastrophic for a franchise. And several teams seem to be listening.

Why? I’d love to say it’s because they read it here. The truth is, this year it’s easier, because next year’s quarterback class figures to be much better. Maybe Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson wind up making it. The consensus in league circles is that USC’s Sam Darnold, UCLA’s Josh Rosen and Wyoming’s Josh Allen have a significantly better chance too.

So the Niners and Browns and Jets may well look pretty sharp in 12 months time.

“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” said one AFC college scouting director. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”

The Niners, by the way, took Iowa’s C.J. Beathard in the third round, the Browns took DeShone Kizer in the second round, and the Jets punted on the ’17 class all together. So each team left its quarterback options open, and in addition to the college kids, Jimmy Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins could be available.

Put it together, and we’ll all be over-analyzing how Rosen, Darnold and Allen perform in 2017 (should they all declare). Should we just go ahead and start now? Let’s do it! Here’s a second executive, this from another AFC team, to break down quickly the holes in the résumés of Rosen, Darnold and Allen.

• Allen: “I’ve heard all good things. And from what I’ve seen, the raw tools are all there, but he needs to develop his accuracy and his toughness. The size and arm talent are outstanding.”

• Darnold: “The USC kid, the makeup, the intangibles, the intelligence, everything is there. He’s the most accurate of the group. He’s probably the least physically talented (of the three), but he’s the guy you’d pick to play a game right now if you had to. He does have a little bit of a windup.”

• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”

As for how this group stacks up to the one just drafted into the NFL, our exec said, “I like Trubisky best, and I think they have a chance to be better than Trubisky was coming out. This was not a good year (at QB).”

And if next year is what we’re expecting, sitting this one out figures to make a handful of teams prescient in their restraint.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/04/d...draft-notebook

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Two paragraphs of pure shit. You are desperate knowmo. No QB needs two ****ing years to get ready to play...unless they suck ass *cough* Paxston Lynch *cough*

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” said one AFC college scouting director. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”

Darnold is the cream of that class and something that this class didn't have - a high-ceiling starter with a long track record from an NFL style offense. He's the only thing that sets that class apart from this one.

Rosen's reports read EXACTLY like Kizer's from the same time a year prior. All sorts of ability but can't get it all to come together. Attitude and work ethic questions, etc...

Mahomes and Allen are the same damn guy but with Allen you add some level of competition questions. When the draft rolls around, you're going to hear the same things about Allens arm talent but rough edges that you hear about Mahomes. Baker Mayfield has a lot of similar traits to Trubisky though admittedly more experience. Mason Rudolph is going to end up getting picked apart a lot like Davis Webb.

The 2018 class is extremely similar to this class but with a true #1 overall prospect at the top of it with Darnold. There's no Deshaun Watson type; great college resume with questionable translation kind of player but a lot of teams really like Watson.

The weakness of this class has been wildly overstated as has the strength of next year's class.

[RunKC]

Josh Allen is as much of a project as Mahomes, if not more.

He threw 15 picks against bad competition. Big red flag

[Coogs]

There is a play on Grudens QB Camp where Gruden is going through his RCE bit with Mahomes. Mahomes recognizes the defense, communicates to his offense, and executes the play perfectly. Gruden gives Mahomes high praise.

Sure, Mahomes has more to learn. But this is not like he is some junior high QB trying to go directly to the NFL as some would have you try and believe.

[The Franchise]

The biggest thing that Mahomes will have to get used to is knowing that his defense isn't complete shit. It's ****ing awesome to know that if we are down by 14 points....we have a legitimate ****ing shot of our QB bringing us back from it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Josh Allen is as much of a project as Mahomes, if not more.

He threw 15 picks against bad competition. Big red flag

He is, for sure.

And I love Josh Allen, but I'm a fan for the same reasons I loved Mahomes as a prospect. The arm talent just oozes out of the guy and I think we have a staff that could round him into shape.

But the teams that wanted Mahomes this year will want Allen next year and we'll find ourselves in the same boat only a year further down the road with no greater chance at success (and in the interim, who the hell knows if Allen won't implode).

It's just asinine to cite Josh Allen as a reason that next year's class is set apart from this one when in fact, he's a dead ringer for Mahomes.