Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Rain Man]

Yep, it's that time. We need to list our draft choices.

Man, I haven't prepared at all this year. I hope I don't Pioli myself out of contention.

[patteeu]

Due to free agency so far, I assume we lose:

Branden Albert T
Jon Asamoah G
Quintin Demps FS
Tyson Jackson DE
Akeem Jordan ILB
Kendrick Lewis FS
Dexter McCluster WR
Jerrell Powe NT
Geoff Schwartz G

and I assume we have the option to add:

Cory Grissom DT
Otis Hudson G
Jeffrey Linkenbach G
Joe Mays ILB
Chris Owens CB
Vance Walker DT

with these guys still in limbo:

Terrance Copper WR
Chad Hall WR
Jerrell Jackson WR
Dunta Robinson CB
Anthony Toribio DT

[patteeu]

Boy, I'm hurting at offensive tackle with seemingly slim pickings in the draft.

[Rain Man]

Thanks for the free agency update.

Losing Albert is going to hurt all of us, I think. And yeah, I don't think any of the Tier 1 tackles dropped far enough for us to draft one.

I kept Eric Winston but he's been cut, so I may be out of luck on both tackle spots. I better hope that Menelik Watson starts in Oakland this year.

[chiefscafan]

I kind of prepared for it but yes tackles gonna hurt everyone

[chiefscafan]

Ok I never cut my draft pick I forgot to add him this upcoming season lee Ziemba is still on my team.

[Rain Man]

Okay, so the base draft of the Chiefs this year is...

1-23
2-56, but only if you did not accept the Alex Smith trade
3-87
4-124
5-163
6-193 minus the 7-238, but only if you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys
6-200
7-238 unless you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys

[Rain Man]

This is not going to be a sexy draft for me. My offensive line was decimated this year. Three of my five offensive line starters have left in free agency or been released by their team.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

This is not going to be a sexy draft for me. My offensive line was decimated this year. Three of my five offensive line starters have left in free agency or been released by their team.

Do we lose players when other teams release them or lose them to free agency?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Do we lose players when other teams release them or lose them to free agency?

We decided that we wouldn't lost those players just to keep it from being a pain in the neck on tracking. But at the same time, if a player gets released by some other team, they're not going to be really good for our roster if no one else picks them up.

In the long run, that means we probably need to evaluate if the simulation is still fair since, as we diverge more and more from the Chiefs' roster, we're continuing to get free agents and aren't really losing them at the same pace. But we can discuss that after the draft.

[Rain Man]

Okay, I studied this all day and I'm making my picks.

This draft was brutal. Every position of need for me seemed to get drafted before I could get my picks, and then there would be a big dropoff. I hate trading down, but I had no choice this year.

First, we are trading down with the Buffalo Bills. We are trading our #23 pick (760 points, discounted to 494) for their #44 pick (460 points), #153 pick (30.2 points), and #221 pick (3 points).

I did not make the Alex Smith trade, so I keep my #56, and I didn't have Edgar Jones to trade, so I don't move up at the bottom of the round. My picks are:

44
56
87
124
153
163
200
221
238

And without further ado, my draft is ...

#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)


With Branden Albert and Geoff Schwartz leaving, and with Eric Winston currently without a team, the only tackle on my roster is Menelik Watson. Kouandjio seems to have a good chance at being a starter if his medical stuff works out.

Other players considered: Xavier Su'a-Filo (G), Dee Ford (DE/OLB), or Teddy Bridgewater (QB) if no trade down. The first two would've filled big needs but I decided I could get a better return on investment with later picks.

#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)


Yeah, two tackles with my first two picks. I've had problems replenishing this position over the years, so it's time to stock up.

Others considered: Kony Ealy (DE), C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE), Terrance Brooks (FS). Three more areas of need, but Moses seemed like the best value. I also pondered Gabe Jackson (G) and Louis Nix (NT).

#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts).


This pick was very difficult. I really wanted to fill one of my major needs areas, but couldn't find a pick that seemed worth the price. WR is a bit of a luxury here, though I could use some depth and competition.

Others considered: Crockett Gilmore (TE) was on my board almost the whole time as a need pick since Tony Gonzalez retired on me, but I eventually decided that I could get by with Fasano and Travis Kelce and see how they do. That let me go with the player that I think has the higher upside.

If we were allowed two trade-downs, I would've traded down out of this pick and taken Carl Bradford (OLB) and some lower picks. But since I couldn't trade down, Moncrief seemed like the better risk.

#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).


With Brian Waters' career in doubt and Wade Smith getting cut, my once-deep guard position was suddenly shaky. Yankey seemed like a really good value pick here who can potentially fill a need.

Others considered: None, really. Yankey was way above my other choices. I looked at G Dakota Dozier and OLB Telvin Smith, along with FS Nate Berhe.

#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)


I really need a free safety, and the top ones went before my first-round pick. Ed Reynolds can be competitive for the starting position with Quentin Demps on my roster. Screw Kendrick Lewis. I may cut him even if I don't have any other safeties.

Others considered: I really wanted DE Chris Smith as well, but couldn't find a way to get both. It came down to Smith or Reynolds.

#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).


He's a medical risk that I'm hoping pays off, because I'm very shallow at OLB right now.

Others considered: Lots of good choices here. I really struggled between OLB Jordan Tripp versus Powell, so hopefully I made the right decision. I also strongly considered the two QBs (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarren), along with FS Vinnie Sunseri.

#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).


I invested heavily in the DT position last year with three draft picks, but only one of them had a good year. McCullers seems like a cheap backup with notable upside.

Others considered: OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif and DT Shamar Stephen. I've already drafted two OTs, though, and liked McCullers on the nose. He's huge. I also pondered FB Jay Prosch, but figured I'd wait on that position.

#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).


I think he slipped a lot due to his age (Mormon mission), but if I can get a good player cheap for a few years, he's definitely worth a late pick.

Others considered: None, really. He was my guy in this slot.

#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).


I need a fullback. He's a fullback. Let's hope he sticks on the Niners' roster.

Others considered: There were a few others that I liked, including OLB Tyler Starr, ILB Yawin Smallwood, and WR Tevin Reese. But they were all depth at this point and I had no fullback on the roster.

In summary, my draft is:

#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts)
#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).
#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)
#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).
#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).
#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).
#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Okay, so the base draft of the Chiefs this year is...

1-23
2-56, but only if you did not accept the Alex Smith trade
3-87
4-124
5-163
6-193 minus the 7-238, but only if you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys
6-200
7-238 unless you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys

1) I accepted the Alex Smith trade,

2) I didn't have Edgar Jones on my roster,

3) I'm trading down with the Denver Broncos. I give them my #23 (760 pts), discounted to 494 pts. In return, we get #56 (340 pts), #95 (120 pts), #156 (30 pts), and #242 (1.2 pts) for a total of 491.2 pts.

so my picks are:

#56 - Cody Latimer WR (Indiana) - Denver

I coveted Jordan Matthews with my first pick, but I was able to get more back in a trade with Denver for a similar player who is also headed to a prolific offense.

#87 - Phillip Gaines CB (Rice) - KC

I'm already in good shape at CB, but the draft didn't really fall to my needs well here and Gaines will give me insurance in case KC parts ways with Brandon Flowers in the next year or two.

#95 - Michael Schofield OT (Michigan) - Denver

With the loss of Branden Albert, my offensive line is looking pretty thin. Terron Armstead is penciled in as my starting LT, but my other tackles are still big question marks. Schofield and 6th round pick of Laurent Duvernay-Tardif give me a couple of other prospects to take up the slack or play guard in a pinch.

#124 - Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB (Boston College) - Seattle

With Tamba Hali getting older, it's time to find his replacement. I've got a couple candidates on my roster, but no sure things so I'll add Pierre-Louis to the mix and hope for the best.

#156 - Ed Reynolds S (Stanford) - Philadelphia

Reynolds is a guy I had targeted to bolster my thin safety ranks. The trade down was designed around him and Latimer.

#163 - Aaron Murray QB (Georgia) - KC

I don't know whether he'll replace Chase Daniel or Tyler Bray, but I think he's a good deal this late in the draft and I expect him to have an equal or better career than either of those guys.

#200 - Laurent Duvernay-Tardif OT (McGill) - KC

He's smart, he's strong, and he's big. I hope his name will fit on the jersey.

#238 - Trey Millard FB (Oklahoma) - San Francisco

I too need a FB. Why, oh why didn't I roster Anthony Sherman so I could use this pick on Henry Josey? I don't know, but at least I have one more pick.

#242 - Bruce Gaston NT (Purdue) - Arizona

Damnit! I need a NT worse than I need a RB so no Henry Josey here. NT is probably my thinnest position. One of the guys on my roster plays for Arizona so I'm picking up Gaston with my final pick because he went to Arizona as an UDFA. It's possible that neither of them will win the starting job, but one of them will almost surely make the team.

[Rain Man]

Ah, interesting. Another trade down.

I'm philosophically opposed to trading down, but have now done it two years in a row with my top choice. Last year was a no-brainer with the value of the #1 pick, but this year was just a fluke of player availability for me. I would've probably taken my top pick with the #23 pick, so I might as well trade down and get a couple of late picks as well.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Ah, interesting. Another trade down.

I'm philosophically opposed to trading down, but have now done it two years in a row with my top choice. Last year was a no-brainer with the value of the #1 pick, but this year was just a fluke of player availability for me. I would've probably taken my top pick with the #23 pick, so I might as well trade down and get a couple of late picks as well.

Yeah, same here. I was going to take Jordan Matthews with #23, but then I realized he was far enough down on the draft board that even with the steep discount, I could pick up a late pick to go with him. And with Ed Reynolds going one pick before #163, I started to think about maneuvers that would bring him into reasonable range.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Yeah, same here. I was going to take Jordan Matthews with #23, but then I realized he was far enough down on the draft board that even with the steep discount, I could pick up a late pick to go with him. And with Ed Reynolds going one pick before #163, I started to think about maneuvers that would bring him into reasonable range.

I wonder if we buy the same draft magazine. Ed Reynolds was a factor in my trade down too.