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Old 04-04-2022, 07:42 AM  
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I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.

He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush.

But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid.

I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher.

I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future.

So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?
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Old 04-05-2022, 08:27 AM   #31
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Yeah I'm not sure why anyone is still touting Ebiketie here.

He's not an even-front player. At all.

And I'm not 100% sure he even has the first step to be a truly good OLB.

He's not on my draft board at all if I'm KC and he'd probably draw a late 2nd/early 3rd grade from me if I ran a 3-4.

I'm really confused by the folks that still have him going to KC. It just seems lazy.
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Old 04-05-2022, 08:28 AM   #32
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Yeah I'm not sure why anyone is still touting Ebiketie here.

He's not an even-front player. At all.

And I'm not 100% sure he even has the first step to be a truly good OLB.

He's not on my draft board at all if I'm KC and he'd probably draw a late 2nd/early 3rd grade from me if I ran a 3-4.

I'm really confused by the folks that still have him going to KC. It just seems lazy.
I feel the same way and I'd add Mafe to that list. I'm just not sure either of them are a good fit in KC unless they're going to switch things up.
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Old 04-05-2022, 08:31 AM   #33
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If Karlaftis had good bend and was a speed rusher he'd be going top 5. There's a reason guys are available at the end of the first. You aren't getting a perfect prospect.
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Yeah I'm not sure why anyone is still touting Ebiketie here.

He's not an even-front player. At all.

And I'm not 100% sure he even has the first step to be a truly good OLB.

He's not on my draft board at all if I'm KC and he'd probably draw a late 2nd/early 3rd grade from me if I ran a 3-4.

I'm really confused by the folks that still have him going to KC. It just seems lazy.
They don’t do research into the types of DEs that Spags uses. They just see DE and put him in the mock.
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I feel the same way and I'd add Mafe to that list. I'm just not sure either of them are a good fit in KC unless they're going to switch things up.
I still feel like the Steelers at 52 is a potential landing spot for Ebiketie but I don't see a good fit before that and if he gets by Pitt he could start a slide into the early/mid 3rd.

He does remind me a bit of Harold Landry, though. So there is definitely pro potential there. I just don't see it happening here.
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If Karlaftis had good bend and was a speed rusher he'd be going top 5. There's a reason guys are available at the end of the first. You aren't getting a perfect prospect.
Of course not.

There's no such thing as a perfect prospect.

Holding out for one is a fool's errand.
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If Karlaftis had good bend and was a speed rusher he'd be going top 5. There's a reason guys are available at the end of the first. You aren't getting a perfect prospect.
No shit?

EVERY DE in this draft isn't a perfect prospect.

Walker? Needs work on his passrush.
Thibodeaux? Effort issues.
Hutchinson? Didn't really do dick before this year.

You aren't getting a perfect prospect at DE....no matter where you draft one.
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O.City would’ve been scared to draft Oweh, Phillips, Ojulari, and Rousseau last year too.
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Old 04-05-2022, 09:05 AM   #39
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Of course not.

There's no such thing as a perfect prospect.

Holding out for one is a fool's errand.
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No shit?

EVERY DE in this draft isn't a perfect prospect.

Walker? Needs work on his passrush.
Thibodeaux? Effort issues.
Hutchinson? Didn't really do dick before this year.

You aren't getting a perfect prospect at DE....no matter where you draft one.
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O.City would’ve been scared to draft Oweh, Phillips, Ojulari, and Rousseau last year too.
Dipasses, I'm saying it's ok.

I don't have a problem getting a guy like that at the end of the 1st. That's what you're gonna get.

I was responding to Tribal with his criticism. Guys that don't have issues aren't available there. They go in the top 5.

Your Khalil Macks and Myles Garretts
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Old 04-05-2022, 09:16 AM   #40
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Putting this in here instead of in the first round mock thread...



This was literally the worst game of his career because they wanted him to keep using a speed rush to the outside, which isn't the way he should be used, and you picked it as your end-all-be-all example of him being a terrible player? Don't cherry-pick a bad game. I can cherry-pick a shit show from every favorite on the list sans maybe Hutchinson's 2021 tape. I'm fine with you using it as an example of his weakness, but you should also be talking about his strengths and presenting that tape if you're going here.

Players that can power rush are absolutely the top rushers year-over-year in the NFL, not speed rushers. There are a few speedy standouts, but they are rare commodities. Ideally, you have a guy with power that can bend a bit better but it's hard to get it all in one package.

Do I wish Karlaftis could bend better? Yes. I think he can be taught a few things to help him out. The guys behind him though have much more significant overall issues in their games.

My next guy would be Sam Williams from a talent perspective but he has some power issues at this stage. I love his potential, but he has to get stronger and develop much more of a power rush for the NFL and he has to set the edge against the run much better (like most coming from college).

Cam Thomas is virtually the same guy as Karlaftis. I like him a lot but very much the same issues and less developed hand play.

Ebiketie doesn't really fit a 4-3 very well. I see him as a 3-4 OLB. He's a guy I like a ton but I do worry about his ability to set the edge in the NFL in an even front.

Mafe is kind of in that group of guys without a lot of bend but I think he has more than Karlaftis and Thomas. That said I don't think he comes with the same power. He's a nice player but very, very inconsistent. I don't like his production overall. If you can get him to be consistent he could turn out to be a better pro. I don't like his age but its' not a complete deal-breaker. I'd be fine with him as the pick, but he comes with some significant bust potential in my eyes.

After this group, I think there's a very big drop-off again either in athleticism or development and I'm really not about to talk about them this early.
Not an Ojabo fan then, eh?
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Yeah - I think y'all missed O's point.

And for once he actually has one that makes sense.
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I'm so used to O.City saying something dumb....I just kind of went on autopilot. My bad.
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Yeah - I think y'all missed O's point.

And for once he actually has one that makes sense.
Well he was just saying he was out on Karlaftis because he saw somebody make a Breeland Speaks comparison, so it’s kind of hard to keep up…
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Not an Ojabo fan then, eh?
I am but I would not touch him now in the 1st. Not with an Achilles. I'd burn 50 if he's still around.

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