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Old 10-21-2021, 09:02 PM  
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Yeesh - Alec Baldwin just plopped into a world of hurt
Breaking - details forthcoming

Discharged a 'prop' weapon that resulted in a death and another severe injury.

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...c47b69ce5.html
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:01 PM   #31
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Any firearm that has a powder charge has to be treated as a real weapon, meaning you treat it as a loaded weapon and don't ****ing point it at people.

I can't imagine this is like the Crow, where Lee was killed when a bullet had accidentally lodged in a revolver barrel and was then propelled into his body when the same gun was fired at him in a scene. But in what scene would a gun be pointed at the cinematographer? Seems more likely that Baldwin was goofing off with the gun. Also, there should be a prop guy overseeing firearms on set. I wonder where he was when this happened.
Any prop guy has a life and death duty to check each and every weapon being fired on set that day

Lets be honest... how hard is it to check the chamber and barrel for obstructions?
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:04 PM   #32
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If anyone, the fault lies with whomever was responsible for gun safety on the set.
Isn't every individual responsible for this on their own to some degree? I can't imagine pointing a gun that I knew was unloaded at somebody. Is there somebody on set who is supposed to be running around reinforcing this common sense?
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:06 PM   #33
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How do you hit 2 people? Wouldn’t you have to fire twice? If it’s a blank, it really shouldn’t go through 1 person. Just odd to me.
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:06 PM   #34
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:08 PM   #35
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Isn't every individual responsible for this on their own to some degree? I can't imagine pointing a gun that I knew was unloaded at somebody. Is there somebody on set who is supposed to be running around reinforcing this common sense?
There is usually a guy whose entire job is to keep the guns on set safe. Someone ****ed up.
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Any firearm that has a powder charge has to be treated as a real weapon, meaning you treat it as a loaded weapon and don't ****ing point it at people.

I can't imagine this is like the Crow, where Lee was killed when a bullet had accidentally lodged in a revolver barrel and was then propelled into his body when the same gun was fired at him in a scene. But in what scene would a gun be pointed at the cinematographer? Seems more likely that Baldwin was goofing off with the gun. Also, there should be a prop guy overseeing firearms on set. I wonder where he was when this happened.
I can see a rehearsal where the cinematographer tried to get a shot (no pun) from straight on, but how did the director get injured? The only way I can think of is that it wasn't a "blank" or there was a malfunction of the weapon. I admit the only blanks I've ever seen were for a starter's pistol, but I don't think the wad flew very far.
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Any firearm that has a powder charge has to be treated as a real weapon, meaning you treat it as a loaded weapon and don't ****ing point it at people.

I can't imagine this is like the Crow, where Lee was killed when a bullet had accidentally lodged in a revolver barrel and was then propelled into his body when the same gun was fired at him in a scene. But in what scene would a gun be pointed at the cinematographer? Seems more likely that Baldwin was goofing off with the gun. Also, there should be a prop guy overseeing firearms on set. I wonder where he was when this happened.
Maybe he was pointing it at the camera. Sounds like the prop gun malfunctioned and came apart and she got hit by some projectile that came out of it.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...fe-1235094931/
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Old 10-21-2021, 11:25 PM   #38
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Isn't every individual responsible for this on their own to some degree? I can't imagine pointing a gun that I knew was unloaded at somebody. Is there somebody on set who is supposed to be running around reinforcing this common sense?
Yes, there are supposed to be professionals there to ensure this doesn't happen... incidents like this are pure dereliction of duty on their part

Baldwin is an arrogant asshole, but this isn't his fault
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Yes, there are supposed to be professionals there to ensure this doesn't happen... incidents like this are pure dereliction of duty on their part

Baldwin is an arrogant asshole, but this isn't his fault
"I just pointed the gun at someone and pulled the trigger. How was I to know it would cause harm?"
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Maybe he was pointing it at the camera. Sounds like the prop gun malfunctioned and came apart and she got hit by some projectile that came out of it.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...fe-1235094931/
That makes some sense.

I honestly haven’t seen a thing Baldwin has been in in a decade but if it was an equipment malfunction in shooting that would be ****ing horrible to live with. I mean, probably no different than a traffic accident with fatalities, but yeah. This is different than horsing around with blanks.
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I can see a rehearsal where the cinematographer tried to get a shot (no pun) from straight on, but how did the director get injured? The only way I can think of is that it wasn't a "blank" or there was a malfunction of the weapon. I admit the only blanks I've ever seen were for a starter's pistol, but I don't think the wad flew very far.
There was an actor in the 80s named Jon-Erik Hexum who put a gun loaded with blanks up to his temple and pulled the trigger; the wadding killed him, but that was from literally a range of zero.

It's way too early to make any judgments about this one; I absolutely expect there to be more details to come that will change things this way or that. Either way, though, I couldn't feel worse for the DP's family.
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