Another Hermie quote that speaks volumes

[Mr. Laz]

first it was the scoring alot isn't real football it's Arena Ball.


then Herm comments about the illegal motion penalty that nullified a touchdown.

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"We didn't let (Jason Dunn)get set before we went in motion," Coach Herm Edwards said. "That's what happens when you run all those shifts and motions. You have to be in tune."
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yep herm .... when you run all dem dere fancy,smancy offensive plays it just means trouble.



seriously ...... instead of blaming the shifts, why don't you blame yourself for not having the team prepared to handle a pro level offense.

it's becoming increasely clear that Herm didn't want Trent Green, didn't want all the shifts and motions ...... basically just didn't want any part of the league's #1 offense that he inherited.



offense is teh debbil!!

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I don't know, I don't think these problems were Herm's fault. We had 4 good opportunities in the 4th quarter to score and the players ****ed up: Fumble, interception, blocked field goal, touchdown brought back because of a penalty. These are the things that the coach can't be blamed for. The players have to take some freaking responsibility for this kind of shit. With 4 opportunities like that, I think we can say that the coach had us in a good position to win or at least score and the players blew it.

i understand ...... and you're right


BUT ..... there seems to be a pattern, under Marty the offensive players just always seemed to under perform and make silly mistakes.

under Dick Vermeil the defensive players seem to under perform and make mistakes.

now again .... under a 'defensive' head coach we seem to have players that aren't prepared.

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

Irrelevant my ass the fact that Medlock was a 5th round pick makes him relevant. And Drummond has done nothing but fumble a ball miss a tackle and make one tackle. Phinisee had a chance to add a spark drummond will get you 17 yards from the endzone when he fields the ball two yards deep. He is a waste.

There are 10-20 players taken ahead of Medlock that have already been cut.

What are we supposed to do? Keep putting up with misses in the hopes that someday he might be able to hit the 45 yarder on poor dirt on the road that the guy off the street made yesterday?

[kaplin42]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Please - early year 2 of a rebuilding program. You would have fired Belichick in Cleveland and Dungy in Tampa. Some people never learn. We'll have Brodie within a month - possibly even this weekend.

Problem is, the Chiefs aren't rebuilding. They are in a "transition" phase. Herm nor Carl will commit to rebuilding. As said before, if we were rebuilding, why isn't Croyle the starter?

If the Chiefs were rebuilding, I don't think you would see the kind of bitching you do now from the fans. Most would probably except the losses in the hopes that the young kids would be gaining some valuable game xp, and instead of worrying about W-L it would be more about this kids blocking fundamentals, and that kids speed and ball hawking ability. This would build anticipation for next season, but instead, it just looks to be more of the same for the forseeable future.

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

Problem is, the Chiefs aren't rebuilding. They are in a "transition" phase. Herm nor Carl will commit to rebuilding. As said before, if we were rebuilding, why isn't Croyle the starter?

If the Chiefs were rebuilding, I don't think you would see the kind of bitching you do now from the fans. Most would probably except the losses in the hopes that the young kids would be gaining some valuable game xp, and instead of worrying about W-L it would be more about this kids blocking fundamentals, and that kids speed and ball hawking ability. This would build anticipation for next season, but instead, it just looks to be more of the same for the forseeable future.

I agree with you. Herm would have done himself a big favor in terms of perception with the fans if he started the season with Croyle instead of Huard. I hope he makes the move this week.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That's the risk you run when you go all vanilla with no motion in preseason.

Yeah, especially when Dunn (who was called for the penalty) was out all of training camp.

I think the offense will eventually come together. It's just that with so many missing pieces for most of training camp, it's going to take longer than the defense. Especially since the Chiefs don't have much depth in certain positions.

The thing I can't understand at this point is "why" the Chiefs go "vanilla" in the preseason. If they're using the same offensive system since 2001, everyone in the league is already familiar with it. Why not PRACTICE that system during the games?

It makes no sense.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by Zouk

There are 10-20 players taken ahead of Medlock that have already been cut.

What are we supposed to do? Keep putting up with misses in the hopes that someday he might be able to hit the 45 yarder on poor dirt on the road that the guy off the street made yesterday?

He made one and missed one. If we (herm) isn't gonna hold the offense accountable for the preseason then the kicker shouldn't be either, therfore he was cut for missing ONE FG. Great coaching.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

Problem is, the Chiefs aren't rebuilding. They are in a "transition" phase. Herm nor Carl will commit to rebuilding. As said before, if we were rebuilding, why isn't Croyle the starter?

If the Chiefs were rebuilding, I don't think you would see the kind of bitching you do now from the fans. Most would probably except the losses in the hopes that the young kids would be gaining some valuable game xp, and instead of worrying about W-L it would be more about this kids blocking fundamentals, and that kids speed and ball hawking ability. This would build anticipation for next season, but instead, it just looks to be more of the same for the forseeable future.

Semantics. Herm told the announcers of the game that with all 61 players on the roster (practice squad included), the Chiefs are the youngest team in the league. YOU and I and everyone else here knows the Chiefs are rebuilding but for some reason, they don't want to publicly come out and say it.

Just another ironic move by the front office. They claim to have great and intelligent fans, yet we're not intelligent enough to see a team rebuilding?

Idiots.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

He made one and missed one. If we (herm) isn't gonna hold the offense accountable for the preseason then the kicker shouldn't be either, therfore he was cut for missing ONE FG. Great coaching.

Herm got rid of a bad kicker. End of discussion. What one player has to do with another is not relavent.

We can start a new convesation about canning Drummond. I vote yes. But that decision has nothing to do with what happened to a piss poor kicker.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Some people are idiots and can't admit that we have a bad coach that the game has passed him by. He thinks it's 1990 the style of offense he's playing.

He really is a fool.

[kregger]

All those "shifts and motions" seem to have the same effect as Gunther's blitzes--- the other team seems to know what is coming anyway.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Zouk

What is the reasonable expectation this year? That we should beat the Bears on the road in week 2? Or that we should improve every week and by the end of the year hopefully be a team competing for a playoff spot and getting ready to be a serious contender with Croyle at QB next year?

While they may be improving on defense, they are regressing in the other two areas (I use last season as well for the barometer).

Just like Vermeil did with the offense, you cannot put that much pressure on your defense to do it all.

[KC-TBB]

hmmmm

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by kregger

All those "shifts and motions" seem to have the same effect as Gunther's blitzes--- the other team seems to know what is coming anyway.

Maybe they do....see Patriots.

[crazycoffey]

Reach...

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by bobbything

While they may be improving on defense, they are regressing in the other two areas (I use last season as well for the barometer).

Just like Vermeil did with the offense, you cannot put that much pressure on your defense to do it all.

I don't believe this is true. We were just not ready in September to play good defenses on the road, particularly with Kennison out. But the additions of Bowe (who is still learning the plays) and McIntosh (who played half or less of the snaps) will make this a better offense by the end of the year.