*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Again, his level was just fine after early September (bad OL play) until Sunday night (bad OL play) and it is revisionist history to now say it wasn't simply because they had a bad game at the end.

The last thing I'm worried about with this organization is Patrick ****ing Mahomes.

Yeah, you don't have to keep saying the same shit over and over.. people were talking about Mahomes' struggles all season and the difference starting mid-December.

You think he's perfect and can't ever be criticized.

We get it.

We ****ing get it.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

We'll see what moves Veach makes and go from there.

But it's up to Mahomes what he wants to be and what he wants to improve on. It's out of our hands. We'll just have to wait and see.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Brady isn't to blame for losing to Nick Foles. He threw for over 500 yards in that game with 3 TDs and no INT. It was probably Brady's best Super Bowl performance.

Their defense lost the game for them.

Brady was awesome for almost all of that game. But he did have a lost fumble late in the game that killed their chances of winning. Similar to the Jalen Hurts fumble a couple years ago, even though Jalen was awesome in the other parts of that game.

[Mecca]

There was still at least some encouraging things, that long ball to Worthy has been missing all year so at least he ****ing hit a ball that was nearly 70 yards in the air.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, you don't have to keep saying the same shit over and over.. people were talking about Mahomes' struggles all season and the difference starting mid-December.

You think he's perfect and can't ever be criticized.

We get it.

We ****ing get it.

Huh? I'm responding to the people blasting this guy today as if he was somehow the issue on the roster over the last two seasons (seasons in which the Chiefs won a SB on the toughest playoff run statistically in NFL history and another in which they appeared in a SB after a 15-1 season).

I'm also on record saying he played a shit game on Sunday night and I've said it all along. Where I differ is that I don't believe that's some kind of indictment on his season as a whole or on him as a player going forward.

He's completely fine. Just get him a LT he can trust again and the Chiefs will find their way back here again.

[Sassy Squatch]

Kind of why I'm coming around to a RB early. Because there were a handful of games this season where we leaned heavily on it while Mahomes was a bit lost in his own sauce. It's not an ideal game plan but sometimes you just need to take the air out of it and slow him down when it's clear he's got the yips.

[Mecca]

We honestly need to find some kind of offensive identity, we had one for awhile and now we're just kinda "take whatever is there" that needs to change.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Nick Wright per usual put together a pretty hole-free argument on this in his podcast that dropped today, went something like this:

- Sunday was a big hit if we are just talking Mahomes' pursuit of Brady
- Sunday was also only the second time in the past many decades that a QB was trying to win a Super Bowl that would accomplish something no one had ever done before - first Brady in SB42, lost to Eli. Then Mahomes loses to Philly in SB59. Neither team played well on offense.
- Both guys were about the same age at the time. Brady was 30, Mahomes was 29. Both fell to 3-2 in Super Bowls after the loss.
- The loss has zero impact on today's current structure of QB ranks. You don't punish Mahomes for losing by a lot in a Super Bowl by propping up guys like Allen, Lamar, or Burrow who he beats every year to get to the big game.

And that's just it while we are prisoners of this moment. We have Brady's full career logged now and the story is written. He went another seven years after 42 before he finally won his fourth ring.

We'll see what Patrick does from here. If he is producing like he is capable, I'm confident 10-12 years from now he has Brady's records largely with 5+ rings.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Huh? I'm responding to the people blasting this guy today as if he was somehow the issue on the roster over the last two seasons (seasons in which the Chiefs won a SB on the toughest playoff run statistically in NFL history and another in which they appeared in a SB after a 15-1 season; just terrible stuff).

I'm also on record saying he played a shit game on Sunday night and I've said it all along. Where I differ is that I don't believe that's some kind of indictment on his season as a whole or on him as a player going forward.

He's completely fine. He will be completely fine. Just get him a LT he can trust again.

I’m really glad Patrick Mahomes doesn’t share your attitude about himself.

“I’m the greatest, I had a great season, screw the haters, I’ll be fine, there’s nothing to work on about going forward.”

FFS man, you take everything as a personal attack on his greatness. We criticize him because we know he’s great and we’re holding him to a standard of greatness.

You’re completely ignorant if you don’t think he’s played below his standard the last couple seasons and has some things to work on this offseason.

That’s not saying he sucks, it’s saying we know what he’s capable of and we expect him to be that guy.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Mecca

We honestly need to find some kind of offensive identity, we had one for awhile and now we're just kinda "take whatever is there" that needs to change.

It should be easy.

Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy look like #1 type WRs and they're both under 25. They can beat man and zone. Add a nice young dual-threat RB with it and there's your identity.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Nick Wright per usual put together a pretty hole-free argument on this in his podcast that dropped today, went something like this:

- Sunday was a big hit if we are just talking Mahomes' pursuit of Brady
- Sunday was also only the second time in the past many decades that a QB was trying to win a Super Bowl that would accomplish something no one had ever done before - first Brady in SB42, lost to Eli. Then Mahomes loses to Philly in SB59.
- Both guys were about the same age at the time. Brady was 30, Mahomes was 29. Both fell to 3-2 in Super Bowls after the loss.
- The loss has zero impact on today's current structure of QB ranks. You don't punish Mahomes for losing by a lot in a Super Bowl by propping up guys like Allen, Lamar, or Burrow who he beats every year to get to the big game.

And that's just it while we are prisoners of this moment. We have Brady's full career logged now and the story is written. He went another seven years after 42 before he finally won his fourth ring.

We'll see what Patrick does from here. If he is producing like he is capable, I'm confident 10-12 years from now he has Brady's records largely with 5+ rings.

I mean, any SB loss is a big hit if by "pursuing Brady" you mean reaching Brady's SB total. You only get so much opportunities (although Mahomes has had a way of creating more opportunities than anyone in the history of football thus far in his career) and seven is a hell of a lot. But Mahomes is already clearly a superior QB to anything that Brady ever was and that's plainly obvious to anyone who watched them play.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

We have Brady's full career logged now and the story is written. He went another seven years after 42 before he finally won his fourth ring.

This has been my biggest beef with the comparisons.

Add to that the latest "Brady never got blown out in a Super Bowl." That is true. But he got blown out in some playoff games, including some in which he had multiple turnovers that contributed to them, that prevented him from GETTING him to a Super Bowl. Mahomes' playoff career SO FAR -- two losses, both in OT.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I’m really glad Patrick Mahomes doesn’t share your attitude about himself.

“I’m the greatest, I had a great season, screw the haters, I’ll be fine, there’s nothing to work on about going forward.”

FFS man, you take everything as a personal attack on his greatness. We criticize him because we know he’s great and we’re holding him to a standard of greatness.

You’re completely ignorant if you don’t think he’s played below his standard the last couple seasons and has some things to work on this offseason.

That’s not saying he sucks, it’s saying we know what he’s capable of and we expect him to be that guy.

Oh, he definitely thinks he's the greatest player ever. All of the greatest athletes ever have exactly that mindset, you don't get to where he's gotten and what he's accomplished without believing that.

That doesn't mean he won't continue to stop trying to improve himself, which again, is what all of the greatest do.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It should be easy.

Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy look like #1 type WRs and they're both under 25. They can beat man and zone. Add a nice young dual-threat RB with it and there's your identity.

If there's a WR that falls you absolutely love, I'd take him. Rice on paper should be the guy but he's coming off a serious knee injury and is a ****ing dumbass that got himself suspended.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

This has been my biggest beef with the comparisons.

Add to that the latest "Brady never got blown out in a Super Bowl." That is true. But he got blown out in some playoff games, including some in which he had multiple turnovers that contributed to them, that prevented him from GETTING him to a Super Bowl. Mahomes' playoff career SO FAR -- two losses, both in OT.

Someday Mahomes is actually going to lose in the WC or divisional round of the playoffs (like Brady did on plenty of occasions) and people are going to lose their ****ing minds when it happens.