Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[chiefscafan]

I;'ll cut after draft

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

What's the origin of the extra picks?

[chiefscafan]

never traded for alex smith or the original dolphins deals


2014 NFL Draft picks:

1. 23rd
2. 24th
3. 87th
4. 124th
5. 163rd
6. 193rd
6. 200th

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

never traded for alex smith or the original dolphins deals

What was the Dolphins deal? I'm just curious about the extra second round pick. (Not being a lawyer or anything, I'm just curious.)

[chiefscafan]

its the alex smith trade I never made it so I have the two picks. Also had the trade with the jets last year.

Dolphins picks were the pioli trade for the o lineman

[chiefscafan]

wow only two real players out of 2009 draft rest are out of the league

[chiefscafan]

ok since we are allowed to trade once i'm taking that option and trading the number 23 to Houston or Washington for at least a second and third and whatever else is fair value whichever team has the better deal

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

ok since we are allowed to trade once i'm taking that option and trading the number 23 to Houston or Washington for at least a second and third and whatever else is fair value whichever team has the better deal

You can use the draft chart in the original post to calculate the trade value of the #23 pick. Since we're working with perfect information, we have to discount the trade value significantly, so if you're going to trade down, multiply the point value of the #23 pick by 0.65. You can then pick up that many points' worth of picks from the team you're trading to.

As an example, the #23 pick is normally worth 760 points. You multiply that by .65 and you can trade it to Houston in return for picks worth 494 points.

Houston holds the following tradable picks (compensatory picks cannot be traded):

1-1 (1st pick) = 3000 points
2-1 (33rd) = 580 points
3-1 (65th) = 265 points
4-1 (101st) = 96 points
5-1 (141st) = 35.5 points
6-1 (177th) = 21.6 points
6-5 (181st) = 20 points
7-1 (216th) = 6 points

So your 494 points can buy you Houston's 3rd, 4th, 5th, both 6ths, and a 7th since they add up to less than that amount. However, you can't get their 2nd since it costs 580 points.

If you want their 2nd, you'd have to come up with more points, but that would make no sense. You could do that, but's not going to be worth it. Trade downs in this game have to be at a significant penalty, because otherwise we'd always trade down a few spots to get our guy and keep picking up extra picks.

[chiefscafan]

I heard a trade Washington would trade second, third, fourth for 23 why can't i do that?

That doesn't make since that I'd only be able to get a third and fourth from the 23 why the heck would chiefs do that . Sorry that doesn't make since to trade up Washington would have to give up at least second and third rounder.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I heard a trade Washington would trade second, third, fourth for 23 why can't i do that?

That doesn't make since that I'd only be able to get a third and fourth from the 23 why the heck would chiefs do that . Sorry that doesn't make since to trade up Washington would have to give up at least second and third rounder.

He explained it when he pointed out that without a steep discount in what you can get back for a trade, trades could easily be abused in this game.

We don't have anyone looking out for Washington's interests here. Who knows what goes into whatever it is that you heard. Maybe it's misinformation. Maybe it's true, but only if some specific player is available when the 23rd pick comes up.

[chiefscafan]

Ok but that makes no sense and isn't reality that a team would trade their one for a third and fourth. Sorry that's where your scale is flawed I'm also trading before the draft that should be higher value according to what you said. If a team trades down in first usually involve second and some other picks

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Ok but that makes no sense and isn't reality that a team would trade their one for a third and fourth. Sorry that's where your scale is flawed I'm also trading before the draft that should be higher value according to what you said. If a team trades down in first usually involve second and some other picks

Right, it's not reality, it's alternate reality. And I agree, there's no reason to trade a 1st for a 3rd + 4th.

Personally, I would have been fine if we outlawed trades altogether because we never have anyone on the other side of the trade making sure it makes sense for the other team. But I'm OK with what we decided. Last year, I'm not sure any team would have traded up into the 1.1 for even a discounted rate of 65%.

[chiefscafan]

Fine I'll keep the pick then no way am I trading first for a third and fourth

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Fine I'll keep the pick then no way am I trading first for a third and fourth

Yeah, the challenge in a game like this is that if you know exactly who is being drafted at what pick, you can get much more value out of your picks. For example, if you would draft a guy at #23 and you know for a fact that he will be there at #30, you can trade down at market value and pick up an extra pick in the process. In real life, you don't know the guy will be available at #30, so if you value him you won't trade down. So we have to eliminate the exploitation of having perfect knowledge.

If we made trades before the NFL draft, perhaps we could do it at market value without the discount because the perfect knowledge isn't there yet. I think we talked about that at some point and decided that it wasn't worth having to monitor when trades occurred. But even then, as patteeu mentioned, we don't have anyone monitoring the interests of the trading team, so we just shrugged and kept the post-NFL system.

[chiefscafan]

Preseason Roster:

not addded free agents from draft if any look like they make the roster


2014 Draft:


1st: DE/OLB Dee Ford Auburn

2nd: OG Gabe Jackson Mississippi State

3rd: OLB Carl Bradford ASU

4th: RB/WR De'Anthony Thomas Oregon

5th: QB AJ MCcaron Alabama

6th: ILB Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky

6th: OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill

Ok I'm updated


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVUOk


CB/S Dave Amerson NC State



3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton




Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade






sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 McCaron, AJ
9 Bray, Tyler

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
00 Dressler, Weston
15 Jenkins, AJ
? Thomas, De'Anthony

TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus


T

79 Donald Stephenson
78 Eric Winstrom
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff
76 Duvernay-Tardif, Laurent

G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
72 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
69 Watkins, Rokevious
66 Jackson, Gabe

C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
68 Shipley, AQ

K
6 Succop, Ryan

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Chancelor, Kam
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric -
Ahmad Black




CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
37 Parker, Ron
31 Cooper, Marcus
00 Owens, Chris


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba
95 Jones, Jarvis
52 Moch, Dontay
90 Ford, Dee


ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick -
51 spikes, brandon -
48 Klien, AJ
00 Mays, Joe
91 Bradford, Carl
54 Jackson, Andrew

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
77 Capatano, Michael
90 Kruger, Joe

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm
57 Williams, Jessie
70 DeVito, Mike
00 Walker, Vance