*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

God ****ing damn, man. Mahomes has to simmer the **** down in these situations. The game was still very manageable with a throwaway and punt there instead of a pick 6.

And if you're going to be aggressive, be ****ing aggressive.

That was the worst part about his 1st half. He was passive to the point of refusing to pull the trigger on makeable plays, then he pulls THAT shit on a play that just wasn't there at all.

He was just bad. It wasn't that he was too passive or too aggressive. It wasn't that he was inaccurate or too anxious to pull it down and leave the pocket.

You can survive any of those things.

The problem is that it was ALL of those things.

In the second half, he was a little better (by no means good) but by then it was all over but the crying.

He was the primary culprit of the offensive flame-out in the 1st half and that was really all she wrote.

It's no indictment on who he is as a person, player or teammate. It's not shortchanging who's he's been or who he will be going forward.

It's just a simple statement - Patrick Mahomes was a bad quarterback in the 1st half of that ballgame. And the rest was pretty irrelevant.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

God ****ing damn, man. Mahomes has to simmer the **** down in these situations. The game was still very manageable with a throwaway and punt there instead of a pick 6.

He was pretty good at avoiding turnovers (or even turnover worthy plays for that matter) in the Playoffs over the last few years. Just wasn't careful enough last night. Needs to more focused on it, like he was against the Ravens last year or the Eagles 2 years ago. He refused to put the ball in danger in those games.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He was the primary culprit of the offensive flame-out in the 1st half and that was really all she wrote.

The 52% pressure rate without blitzing in the first half the Eagles generated would suggest it isn't anywhere near that simple.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Dude just swings from one extreme to the other. Refuses to rip the ball down field and give Worthy a chance to make a play then does whatever the **** THAT was.

This is so spot on for him this year.

He is not right in the head. I hope they figure out what it is.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The 52% pressure rate without blitzing in the first half the Eagles generated would suggest it isn't anywhere near that simple.

Mahomes doesn't spot them 14 points to close out the half on some bullshit the game is still well within reach with a chance to regroup and maybe fix some shit.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Mahomes doesn't spot them 14 points to close out the half on some bullshit the game is still well within reach with a chance to regroup and maybe fix some shit.

It obviously didn't help, but there's a very good chance the Eagles are scoring points after punts in those situations anyway. It probably only delays the inevitable if he doesn't try to force those throws.

We generated no real solution to the offensive line/pass rush problem for the entire game.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The 52% pressure rate without blitzing in the first half the Eagles generated would suggest it isn't anywhere near that simple.

Everyone knows you blame the OL for every mistake he makes.

We've had this conversation regarding 'pressures' ad nauseum and I'll reiterate, all pressures are not the same. MANY of the pressures he faced had easy answers and he just didn't take 'em. He was moving TOWARDS the pressure in the same way you see guys like Watson do.

He was exacerbating problems with the OL instead of doing anything to alleviate them.

And again, that should've been no worse than a 10-0 game at half and had he just made the handful of plays he had out there for him to make, that's an entirely different 2nd half.

I'm not saying he needed to be perfect. But he could've been less than bad. He wasn't. He was just bad.

[Sassy Squatch]

That's what's so goddamn frustrating. They've roared back from worse deficits easily. Don't throw the whole game away on two idiotic hero balls that had next to no chance of being converted.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Mahomes doesn't spot them 14 points to close out the half on some bullshit the game is still well within reach with a chance to regroup and maybe fix some shit.

Just throw the ball in the dirt, even if it's intentional grounding flag. Or take the sack. Either of them are better than turnovers deep in your own territory. Hopefully he will keep that in mind next time. Ball security has to be top priority, especially against a very good team that feasts on turnovers by their opponents.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The 52% pressure rate without blitzing in the first half the Eagles generated would suggest it isn't anywhere near that simple.

He was bad the other 48%, too.

And if the response is well yeah, he was rattled, afraid of running for his life, etc.... yeah, that's the point.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

This is so spot on for him this year.

He is not right in the head. I hope they figure out what it is.

This narrative that he wasn't right this year makes no sense to me. He was genuinely great after the first month of the season up until last night.

It was the LT issues in September that put him off and the same happened last night. When he doesn't trust his blind side, he's not the same guy.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

That's what's so goddamn frustrating. They've roared back from worse deficits easily. Don't throw the whole game away on two idiotic hero balls that had next to no chance of being converted.

And if you're gonna do that, don't pocket the two very makeable downfield throws you had.

We're belaboring the point a bit -- this horse is very sufficiently dead. But he was passive when he shouldn't have been, aggressive when there was nothing there and just erratic in his throwing and decision-making at all points in between.

Like I said -- you just burn the tapes.

There simply isn't anything worth taking away from this game. Everyone on the offensive side of the ball was pretty awful. You don't see lousy teams like the Panthers have many games THAT ineffective. It was clearly not the standard they're capable of playing to.

Bad night. Good opponent. It happens to great teams every year.

We just picked an awfully unfortunate time to do it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

He was bad the other 48%, too.

And if the response is well yeah, he was rattled, afraid of running for his life, etc.... yeah, that's the point.

We literally saw him play almost exactly like this in a few games in September this year. It wasn't a mystery as to why it happened then and it isn't a mystery now.

Fix the LT issue.

[htismaqe]

I've been watching some of the All 22. Patrick was bad. I don't think it's unfair to say that at. But the left side of the line was just shit. Worst game of the season. Thuney looked like Kingsley out there just getting pushed back into Mahomes play after play. It was awful.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Everyone knows you blame the OL for every mistake he makes.

Hardly, I've gone on record saying that was one of the worst games he ever played. I've said he was making bad throws even before the line issues reared their ugly head.

But ignoring the fact that his offensive line got blown up in the first half about as badly as any offensive line ever has in a SB when evaluating him and the offense is being intentionally obtuse for the sake of it.