*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[KC_Connection]

I can’t get over how much this dialogue is similar to what LeBron has went through his entire career as he tried to chase down MJ (or to be more specific, the media created ideal or “ghost” of MJ that was somehow infallible despite plenty of evidence to the contrary). Any Finals loss, even to a clearly vastly superior opponent, became a yearly indictment on his entire career.

Mahomes remains the best playoff performer in the history of the sport, regardless of yesterday’s poor game. Not all that close either if you look at the stats. His “legacy” as secure, unless of course you’re trying to compare him to some kind of ideal of Tom Brady that never actually existed in the first place. Brady wasn’t even widely considered the “GOAT” until his late 30s (when he started racking up SBs due to poorly coached Seahawk and Falcons teams), nor was he even considered the best player at his position for the vast majority of his career. This somehow gets forgotten now because he played until he was 45 years old and won 7 of the things.

Mahomes has had the best start to a career of any QB in the history of football by far to this point. Is that not enough?

[DRM08]

Left Tackle. Every other contending team has a good LT situation. Chiefs have been struggling at LT for years. As long as that continues to be the case, the offense will continue to struggle like the last 2 seasons. It’s amazing they managed to win so many Playoff games the last couple years.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Left Tackle. Every other contending team has a good LT situation. Chiefs have been struggling at LT for years. As long as that continues to be the case, the offense will continue to struggle like the last 2 seasons. It’s amazing they managed to win so many Playoff games the last couple years.

Taylor had a rough game, but it didn't compare to what happened at left tackle. There's no way to sugarcoat it: Joe Thuney looked like a fish out of water on the edge in pass protection. It's one thing for a converted guard playing tackle out of desperation and a lack of better options to get beat by speed around the edge. It's another for Thuney to get driven backward into Mahomes' lap by Hunt, a 251-pound former college safety.

Charting the game through Williams' violent strip-sack of Mahomes in the fourth quarter, I have Thuney down for seven plays that led to pressures of Mahomes, including three that led to sacks. He was beaten straight up by Hunt and Sweat and on twists by Williams. He might have been a victim of unrealistic expectations after holding up for most of the postseason on Mahomes' blind side, but reality came crashing down Sunday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...fense-barnwell


Bingo. Yesterday wasn’t the first time in his career that he has looked like that and it’s not a coincidence that it has always happened when he didn’t trust his LT situation (and he didn’t for good reason yesterday, Thuney and Caliendo were being absolutely annihilated on his blind side).

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I can’t get over how much this dialogue is similar to what LeBron has went through his entire career as he tried to chase down MJ (or to be more specific, the media created ideal or “ghost” of MJ that was somehow infallible despite plenty of evidence to the contrary). Any Finals loss, even to a clearly vastly superior opponent, became a yearly indictment on his entire career.

Mahomes remains the best playoff performer in the history of the sport, regardless of yesterday’s poor game. Not all that close either if you look at the stats. His “legacy” as secure, unless of course you’re trying to compare him to some kind of ideal of Tom Brady that never actually existed in the first place. Brady wasn’t even widely considered the “GOAT” until his late 30s (when he started racking up SBs due to poorly coached Seahawk and Falcons teams), nor was he even considered the best player at his position for the vast majority of his career. This somehow gets forgotten now because he played until he was 45 years old and won 7 of the things.

Mahomes has had the best start to a career of any QB in the history of football by far to this point. Is that not enough?

I was actually telling my buddy that it’s far more likely the Chiefs have LeBron at QB than MJ.

The Tampa loss was probably Mahomes’s 2015 Warriors series.

Last night was probably Mahomes’s 2014 Spurs series.

People will get hung up on the rings. It’s an easy thing to argue about because it’s a simple metric.

The argument that LeBron hasn’t had strong supporting casts is dumb, but he hasn’t had what the Warriors had or some of those Spurs teams had.

This is kinda similar. Every NFC team is some “super team”, but the Chiefs have the better QB. LeBron was always the best player on the court, but those Warriors and Spurs teams were insane.

Some people will be smart and look at what Mahomes takes to the Super Bowl and what he’s up against. Others will be dumb and just compare rings without context.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I was actually telling my buddy that it’s far more likely the Chiefs have LeBron at QB than MJ.

The Tampa loss was probably Mahomes’s 2015 Warriors series.

Last night was probably Mahomes’s 2014 Spurs series.

People will get hung up on the rings. It’s an easy thing to argue about because it’s a simple metric.

The argument that LeBron hasn’t had strong supporting casts is dumb, but he hasn’t had what the Warriors had or some of those Spurs teams had.

This is kinda similar. Every NFC team is some “super team”, but the Chiefs have the better QB. LeBron was always the best player on the court, but those Warriors and Spurs teams were insane.

Some people will be smart and look at what Mahomes takes to the Super Bowl and what he’s up against. Others will be dumb and just compare rings without context.

It's just nonsense.

This isn't worse than losing 49-3 to the Giants in the Divisional Round.

Or eating shit against Mark Sanchez.

Mahomes is held to the highest standard. Standards no one else has ever been held to.

When someone else goes to 7 straight AFC Championships, let me know!

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's just nonsense.

This isn't worse than losing 49-3 to the Giants in the Divisional Round.

Or eating shit against Mark Sanchez.

Mahomes is held to the highest standard. Standards no one else has ever been held to.

When someone else goes to 7 straight AFC Championships, let me know!

I agree.

I never understood holding a championship loss against someone but not holding it against them when they lose before that.

Isn’t it better to take your team further?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I was actually telling my buddy that it’s far more likely the Chiefs have LeBron at QB than MJ.

The Tampa loss was probably Mahomes’s 2015 Warriors series.

Last night was probably Mahomes’s 2014 Spurs series.

People will get hung up on the rings. It’s an easy thing to argue about because it’s a simple metric.

The argument that LeBron hasn’t had strong supporting casts is dumb, but he hasn’t had what the Warriors had or some of those Spurs teams had.

This is kinda similar. Every NFC team is some “super team”, but the Chiefs have the better QB. LeBron was always the best player on the court, but those Warriors and Spurs teams were insane.

Some people will be smart and look at what Mahomes takes to the Super Bowl and what he’s up against. Others will be dumb and just compare rings without context.

LeBron has lost only one Finals series in his career where his team wasn't the statistically superior team, that was the 2011 Mavs Finals series. If you extend that to playoff series, it's probably only three (his losses to Orlando and Boston before moving to Miami arguably met that as well, those Cleveland teams were very good although that was almost entirely due to him). An absolutely incredible track record considering he's played for 22 years and played more playoff games than anyone in history. The only reason that guy isn't unanimously considered the GOAT at this point is because people have mythologized MJ's career to the point where he's untouchable (which is now happening with Tom Brady as well). You simply can't realistically do much more than he has in basketball in these 2+ decades.

Mahomes really only has one such game as well where that was the case (the 2021 AFC Championship playoff game against Cinci, the Chiefs were undeniably better than that team). Both TB and Philly were much better teams than the Chiefs statistically going into those SBs and the results bared out that way. Yesterday was more shocking for the way it happened, but I think everyone sort of knew Philly had the better talent of the two teams. The hope was that Mahomes would be the great equalizer. The Eagles, through their pass rush (which wrecked Thuney, Caliendo and Taylor in particular) and Fangio's scheme (which bottled him up in the collapsing pocket and didn't let him escape on the edges) eliminated that advantage. This won't be the last time Mahomes loses to a superior team in a playoff game, it happens to everyone (including and especially Tom Brady).

[RunKC]

Mahomes had a QBR of 1 in the first half. That’s not gonna go away unfortunately.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I agree.

I never understood holding a championship loss against someone but not holding it against them when they lose before that.

Isn’t it better to take your team further?

Theoretically every Playoff game should be viewed the same way. It's the same situation. The season is on the line in every Playoff game. But people don't seem to care about the earlier rounds of the Playoffs. Kind of strange.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes had a QBR of 1 in the first half. That’s not gonna go away unfortunately.

What a spanking, dang,

He needs to reinvent himself, the OL played horrible but there were open guys, he gets so nervous in the pocket and then just holds it, if he needs to just do checkdowns until the OL gets a grip then so be it. The long bomb hero plays can wait.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes had a QBR of 1 in the first half. That’s not gonna go away unfortunately.

“The uncomfortable reality of a fading Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes.”

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

What a spanking, dang,

He needs to reinvent himself, the OL played horrible but there were open guys, he gets so nervous in the pocket and then just holds it, if he needs to just do checkdowns until the OL gets a grip then so be it. The long bomb hero plays can wait.

He wasn't looking to do long bomb hero plays in the first half

The guy was trying to get the ball out and survive a collapsing pocket in half of his dropbacks

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Why the feck are you and others so focused on Pat's legacy? The last time we lost a playoff game was 2022 ffs. It's now 2025. People need to have some perspective here. The whole team failed last night. But if Pat going to the superbowl five times out of six and going to three In a row "hurts his legacy" then something is very wrong. It's a shame to see Chiefs fan feed into that bs.

There is no BS. I view Mahomes as the Jordan of the nfl. When the pressure is on they are just another animal. Mahomes has proven this time and time again. For him to crumble on the biggest stage is just shocking.

He will still go down as the greatest to ever play in my eyes. But to act like this game didn't hurt his legacy and that invincible perception when the lights are brightest. Well you are just lieing to yourself.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes had a QBR of 1 in the first half. That’s not gonna go away unfortunately.

There have been plenty of QBs playing behind atrocious OLs that don't perform nearly that badly. Is what it is, going forward the team is going to need to hyper fixate on the OL in an attempt to solve it long term even at the cost of other aspects sliding backwards.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

There is no BS. I view Mahomes as the Jordan of the nfl. When the pressure is on they are just another animal. Mahomes has proven this time and time again. For him to crumble on the biggest stage is just shocking.

He will still go down as the greatest to ever play in my eyes. But to act like this game didn't hurt his legacy and that invincible perception when the lights are brightest. Well you are just lieing to yourself.

What invincible perception? He's literally lost to the Bucs and Bengals in playoff games the last four years before this in between SB wins. You sure you're not trying to hold this guy up to an impossible standard that nobody in the history of football has never even come close to meeting?