Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Didn't Jimmy get hurt last year on a play where he escaped contain and ran to the sidelines? Maybe he got the first down, I don't remember. But he had a head of steam, as I recall.

"Last year" you realize why he's more immobile now right???

[Shaid]

[tredadda]

What blows my mind is how so many think that SF will shut down this offense. Belechick who many think is one of if not the greatest defensive minds in NFL history couldn’t shut this offense down all game. Now Saleh is suddenly going to? This guy almost lost his job after last year. He is not suddenly some defensive guru. He relies on getting pressure with his DL. If they can’t do that then they are not that good. If Reid can outscheme Belechick he is gonna put clown shoes on Saleh.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

"Last year" you realize why he's more immobile now right???

I get that. Look, guys, I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm just saying he's not as immobile as Flacco or Brady, that's all. He can run faster than either of them, I'm sure.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

He took 36 sacks in 2019 (MVPat took 17).

So yeah, he’s fairly immobile.

Once again, shuttle and 3-cone times matter here quite a bit.

Grapes is extremely average in both of those areas. He simply doesn't have the burst or agility to elude rushers as well as the more mobile QBs in the league.

While Patrick Mahomes is among the top 20 QBs over the last 20 years in both of those drills (18th and 17th, in fact), Jimmy G is keeping time with guys like David Gerrard, Andy Dalton, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenburg and Kirk Cousins.

There's little in the way of baseline athleticism for Jimmy Garappolo. He's a reasonable accurate, reasonable intelligent game manager and that's about it.

[Clyde Frog]

Just saw this beauty parked illegally on the street in SF silently telling SF who is boss. If this isn’t a sign that KC is gonna make SF their bitch I don’t know what is.


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[wachashi]

This defense has performed well against QBs with limited mobility. It's one less thing Spags has to gameplan for. SF presents plenty of problems on offense, but a mobile QB is just not one of them.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by wachashi

This defense has performed well against QBs with limited mobility. It's one less thing Spags has to gameplan for. SF presents plenty of problems on offense, but a mobile QB is just not one of them.

Think I see the problem with my earlier post now. I wasn't thinking at all in terms of whether Jimmy was going to try and run for yards in the SB. I was merely thinking in terms of whether he could run faster than Flacco/Brady.

I don't believe at all that SF's game-plan includes Jimmy trying to manufacture offense with his legs.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by tredadda

What blows my mind is how so many think that SF will shut down this offense. Belechick who many think is one of if not the greatest defensive minds in NFL history couldn’t shut this offense down all game. Now Saleh is suddenly going to? This guy almost lost his job after last year. He is not suddenly some defensive guru. He relies on getting pressure with his DL. If they can’t do that then they are not that good. If Reid can outscheme Belechick he is gonna put clown shoes on Saleh.

Belichick also has a FAR better secondary than Saleh has to work with. He has true elite talent in his secondary. Even with that, the Chiefs were on the verge of blowing out the Pats until Kelce fumbles.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Belichick also has a FAR better secondary than Saleh has to work with. He has true elite talent in his secondary. Even with that, the Chiefs were on the verge of blowing out the Pats until Kelce fumbles.

With Mahomes throwing NOTHING more than 15 yards downfield in the 2nd half because his thumb had him throwing ducks.

You just gotta shake your head at some of this stuff.

If he plays to his ability, Chiefs win pretty easily. It really is that simple. The kid is simply not someone you shut down unless he's hurt or rattled.

Well I've never seen him rattled. So unless the layoff and the pressure of trying to win one for Reid gets to him, he's gonna play his ass off.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

With Mahomes throwing NOTHING more than 15 yards downfield in the 2nd half because his thumb had him throwing ducks.

You just gotta shake your head at some of this stuff.

If he plays to his ability, Chiefs win pretty easily. It really is that simple. The kid is simply not someone you shut down unless he's hurt or rattled.

Well I've never seen him rattled. So unless the layoff and the pressure of trying to win one for Reid gets to him, he's gonna play his ass off.

This.

Pat hurt his hand in the first quarter (IIRC), but managed to lead the team to 20 points in the first half, against arguably the best secondary in the NFL. If he hadn't hurt his hand one of those FGs if not both are TDs. That game was a blow-out in the making until Pat hurt his hand.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Belichick also has a FAR better secondary than Saleh has to work with. He has true elite talent in his secondary. Even with that, the Chiefs were on the verge of blowing out the Pats until Kelce fumbles.

Agree. Belichick + that secondary is by far the toughest match-up for this Chiefs offense. No one changes their scheme and game plan more week-to-week than Belichick. Last year, the way they played us in NE was totally different from the way they played us in KC. He's got the players to run any defensive scheme he wants, and it makes it really tough.

He basically dared the refs to throw flags for defensive holding on every single play last year. And it worked well...for one half. You have to play press man to even deploy that strategy, which the Niners don't really do.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Agree. Belichick + that secondary is by far the toughest match-up for this Chiefs offense. No one changes their scheme and game plan more week-to-week than Belichick. Last year, the way they played us in NE was totally different from the way they played us in KC. He's got the players to run any defensive scheme he wants, and it makes it really tough.

He basically dared the refs to throw flags for defensive holding on every single play last year. And it worked well...for one half. You have to play press man to even deploy that strategy, which the Niners don't really do.

Pat scored 90+ points on Belichick in the three games they've faced off. Name another team that has done anything like that.

And Bill could get away with more than the Niners secondary will be able to because bill had the McCourtys, Gilmore, and that LB (can't remember his name right now). Those guys all have elite speed.

And Pat, Hill, and Kelce shredded them three times. How in the heck is SF's secondary going to even slow our offense down?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Agree. Belichick + that secondary is by far the toughest match-up for this Chiefs offense. No one changes their scheme and game plan more week-to-week than Belichick. Last year, the way they played us in NE was totally different from the way they played us in KC. He's got the players to run any defensive scheme he wants, and it makes it really tough.

He basically dared the refs to throw flags for defensive holding on every single play last year. And it worked well...for one half. You have to play press man to even deploy that strategy, which the Niners don't really do.

And it BB managed to stump our boy for 1 half of football before he put on a friggen clinic.

The kid's just damn near unflappable. The only variable we haven't seen is the national landscape - the 2 weeks of media attention.

We've seen him overamped for prime-time games before. He's not completely immune to emotion. So the only real question is just how long it will take him to calm his nerves, trust his talent and rape some faces.

I suspect it won't be long.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can if you get there with 4.

Then the 'blitzer' simply tracks Williams on his route, presuming that he's probably going to put a chip in on the RDE to help out Fisher.

Williams is a more explosive guy than he's given credit for but he's not Kamara out there. He's not an elite route-runner that's gonna shake a guy in coverage. If you send 4, you can deal with him well enough (provided that your LBer gets through the rubs over the middle, which didn't happen on that wheel route TD against Houston).

See that first TD pass against Tennessee?

He hits the LOS at full speed. No LB is going to track that. It's not an 'elite route', it's basically a fly route from off-tackle. No LB is going to cover that. Williams is no Kamara, but he's damned fast and an excellent receiver.