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[Saulbadguy]

I know there are enough of us to participate in this thread, even when our seasons inevitably go to shit.

KSU vs Western Illinois today, tip-off at 3:00 pm.

One thing I noticed near the end of the game on Friday night - we had 5 true freshman on the court, and still played sound basketball. None of them were scrub walk-ons either. While I don't think we will make a serious run at anything this year, the foundation is being laid for a solid program in the future.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Wow. 17? This team really hasn't played all that well. I'll take it.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Wow. 17? This team really hasn't played all that well. I'll take it.

I don't know, WTI. Not counting the FHSU game, I think they've been solid. The scary part to me, is that they are doing this without their star recruits providing much bang. The other surprise is Martavious Irving. Kid has been an excellent addition for someone that really wasn't supposed to be much in year 1. Great defender, and VERY solid from 3pt land.

Lot's to be excited about.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Defensively, I agree. Ferocious D. Swatting shots from everywhere. Until that out-of-this-world performance by the guards Saturday night the O had been pretty pedestrian.

We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

[Saulbadguy]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...thout-the-beas


Martin breezes on in Manhattan, even without the Beas
Dec. 15, 2009
By Gary Parrish
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
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Kansas State offered Frank Martin the job.

He accepted the offer.

He was excited.


But then the columnists starting writing columns, and the radio hosts started hosting radio shows, and Martin was stunned by the reaction. Both locally and nationally, the consensus was that Martin was only replacing Bob Huggins because he was capable of holding together a recruiting class highlighted by Michael Beasley.

And guess what? There was probably some truth to that. If KSU didn't have a heralded recruiting class set to enroll, it's possible Martin wouldn't have been promoted. But if that's what it took for this son of Cuban immigrants to get a break in life, well, it was a break Frank Martin probably deserved, a break long overdue, and he wasn't about to turn it down.

So he was excited.

But why weren't others excited for him?

"Everyone else gets their first opportunity, and people root for them," Martin said by phone late Monday. "But when I got my first opportunity, all people said was that I wasn't deserving of it, that I was going to be a failure, that I was an ex-criminal. One person even wrote that hiring me was a disgrace to college basketball."

A disgrace to college basketball?

Now that's saying something.

"Did I read all that stuff? Yes," Martin said. "And did all that stuff bother me? Yes. I'm a human being. It bothered me. But I didn't let it impact how I did my job. The only thing I worried about was doing my job to the best of my abilities for the people who believed in me, that being my bosses and the players and assistants who chose to stay and work for us. That's all I worried about, doing my job so that we could all move forward in life."

I called Martin on Monday night and had this conversation. I figured it was a good time to revisit the story of the man few believed would last at Kansas State much longer than Beasley, because earlier in the day Martin's Wildcats -- with a 9-1 record featuring wins over Dayton, Washington State, Xavier and UNLV -- went from unranked to No. 17 in the AP poll. It's KSU's highest ranking in more than two decades. And the best part is that Michael Beasley has nothing to do with it.

Beasley is a second-year pro for the Miami Heat.

He was a one-and-done phenom at KSU.

Now he's long gone.

As are Bill Walker, Clent Stewart and Blake Young. In total, four of the top five scorers from Martin's first Kansas State team (Beasley, Walker, Steward and Young) that advanced to the second round of the NCAA tournament have moved on. The only real holdovers are Jacob Pullen and Dominique Sutton, meaning Martin was successful in 2007-08 with one roster, and now he's winning in 2009-10 with a totally different roster.

So Martin is no longer living off Beasley.

Or Huggins.

This is his program, and he has proved to be more than just a guy who could ride Beasley to a bunch of wins. He did that, sure. But with associate head coach Dalonte Hill working beside him, Martin simultaneously put a foundation in place, enrolled a couple of talented transfers (Denis Clemente and Curtis Kelly), signed another McDonald's All-American (Wally Judge), and now he's in great shape.

Barring a collapse, Martin will take these Wildcats to the NCAA tournament this season, and then nearly every relevant player will return next season, which means it's reasonable -- at the risk of getting ahead of ourselves -- to suggest that Martin is on track to win at least 20 games in each of his first four seasons and that Martin is on track to make the NCAA tournament in three of his first four seasons.

So hiring Frank Martin wasn't a disgrace to college basketball.

Turns out, it was a blessing to Kansas State.

"First-year coaches and even guys who have won a lot of games, they usually get a pass when they have young teams," Martin said, point being that he did not. "We had seven freshmen on my team that first year, and nine of the 13 scholarship players were first-year guys. And we beat the best team in the country [Kansas] that year. We finished third in the league. We beat Southern Cal [in the first round of the NCAA tournament]. But nothing we did was quite good enough for people outside of who we are.

"But for us -- my bosses, our players, our staff -- we understood how much we grew and how hard we worked. So we appreciated what we were doing. And at the same time, we were trying to build the program for the long run, not just for that one year."

So far, so good.

And far better than most anticipated.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Looks like Vic Koenning is headed to Illinois...

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

Looks like Vic Koenning is headed to Illinois...

Guess it's a good thing we have 2 defensive coordinators...

[Saulbadguy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Latest "Lunardi" has us as a 4 seed, and winner of the Big XII Conference tournament (and thus Big XII champs)

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Latest "Lunardi" has us as a 4 seed, and winner of the Big XII Conference tournament (and thus Big XII champs)

actually he doesn't have us winning the tounrey, just the RPI leader is what I understand

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

actually he doesn't have us winning the tounrey, just the RPI leader is what I understand

He has an iron-clad rule that whichever team in a conference has the highest RPI, he will assume that team wins the conference tournament. It is more relevant for one-bid leagues where you have no idea who is going to win yet but if your going to do bracketology, you have to pick SOMEONE in each league to win the conference tourny to account for 1-bid leagues.

Of course if that actually happened in the Big XII, both KU and Texas probably wouldnt be 1-seeds, so he just uses that "this team wins their conference" rule just to determine who gets in, not seedings.

[Saulbadguy]

Live chat with Frank Martin and SLTH McNeckmeat -

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...rtin-mcdermott

[mikeyis4dcats.]

¿Dónde está el fantástico y hermoso Martin Frank?

[alnorth]

heh... the computers have now proclaimed Kansas State to be the best team in all the land. (K-State is now #1 in the RPI with the #2 strength of schedule after Duke's game vs gardner-webb dropped their strength of schedule). Enjoy it while you can.

[Dante84]

Don't look now, but front page of ESPN's Men's Basketball.....

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/

[Dante84]

KSU's Martin more than just a recruiter
With its highest ranking since 1988, K-State returns to relevance under Frank Martin
By Dana O'Neil
ESPN.com


Michael Beasley was coming.

Bill Walker was already there.

And Bob Huggins was leaving after only one season at the helm.

Hanging in the balance sat Kansas State, a once-proud basketball program that was about to be reignited or returned to a hoops wasteland.

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Martin persuaded Michael Beasley to sign with KSU, where he fashioned a memorable freshman season.
To Tim Weiser, the decision wasn't complicated.

He hired Frank Martin, Huggins' assistant.

"If it was just about one player, it would have been a shortsighted position on our part," said Weiser, then the KSU athletic director and now the deputy commissioner of the Big 12. "At the time, most of us weren't thinking Mike would be part of our program for the long term anyway. We had just had the turnover with Bob and so the decision was, Do we want to start yet again with a new philosophy and a new approach? And we balanced that out with the option of Frank, someone who was of the same philosophy, same coaching style.

"To us, it was a logical decision to maintain stability, not for one player but for the program."

But logic got run over by a freight train.

Critics chastised Weiser and Kansas State for the decision to hire a man who had never been a head coach above the high school level -- and feasted on Martin, labeling him nothing shy of a Beasley baby-sitter who would quickly be exposed as overmatched by the job he'd been handed.

"We knew what people were saying," associate head coach Dalonte Hill said. "And we knew there was only one thing we could do: prove them wrong."

Beasley and Walker are long gone, yet Kansas State is better than it's ever been. Martin didn't cobble together a flash-in-the-pan team; he has built a program.

The Wildcats are 52-25 under his watch, with an NCAA tournament and an NIT berth to their credit. This season, they sit ready to strike as the ultimate sleeper in a loaded Big 12. Kansas State is 9-1 and, after humbling previously undefeated UNLV in Las Vegas, pulls into the Associated Press Top 25 at No. 17, its highest ranking since 1988 (KSU is No. 22 in the ESPN/USA Today poll).

In just the past three games, the Wildcats have beaten Washington State, Xavier and UNLV, all by at least 15 points. The season also includes a win over Atlantic 10 favorite Dayton.

So no one would blame Martin if he wanted to take a minute and gloat, to thumb his nose at the detractors and enjoy his moment in the sun.

It is not in his DNA, though. As the son of Cuban immigrants, he's used to doubters and overcoming odds. And as a Huggins protégé, he's schooled in the art of growing thick skin.

What Martin will admit to, however, is that he was stung by the vitriol.

"I'm human," he said. "Most guys that get an opportunity, whether people agree with the hire or not, they're given a grace period. I was never given a grace period. One person called my hiring a disgrace to college basketball. That was really disheartening. I don't think I've ever seen so many members of the media put down somebody getting an opportunity like I got put down."

Weiser thinks the ire directed at Martin was in part misplaced anger directed at Huggins -- that the combination of Huggins' departure and Martin's hiring put the latter on the hottest seat in the country.

Just a year before, Weiser had made another controversial hire, giving the penitent Huggins a second chance after things unraveled at Cincinnati. Huggins, with Martin's and Hill's help, promptly persuaded Beasley and Walker to come to Manhattan, igniting a program that long had lain dormant on the college basketball landscape.

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One person called my hiring a disgrace to college basketball. That was really disheartening. I don't think I've ever seen so many members of the media put down somebody getting an opportunity like I got put down.
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-- Kansas State coach Frank Martin
Weiser knew how much that meant. A native of Kansas, he remembered when K-State mattered in college basketball and knew what it could be again.

So when Huggins about-faced and went to his alma mater, accepting the head-coaching job at West Virginia before Beasley and friends could even relocate, Kansas State fans were stung, Huggins was back in the crossfire and K-State was at a critical crossroads.

"K-State had been known for its basketball, but when I got here, it had been down for quite a while," Weiser said. "The hope at the time was to get the program back to where it once was."

Walker, who enrolled a semester early, made his position clear in no uncertain terms.

"I told them that in order for me to stay, they have to hire someone's who's been here. I'm pretty sure they heard me and they took that into account when they were talking to Frank," Walker said at the time.

Meanwhile, Beasley's mother, Fatima, affirmed her son's decision to become a Wildcat but the player himself was noticeably silent.

The dirty little secret college purists don't want to talk about is that college basketball is a business, a multimillion-dollar business in which people are fired for not winning. Often, the reason they don't win is simple: They don't have the players.

And the thing about those players? They generally don't come for the pretty architecture or the impressive student center. They come for the coach, for the comfort and trust they feel with him or the faith that his style and philosophy will best suit their needs.

"The reality of the deal is, if those guys didn't stay in place, the program was never going to ascend the way it has ascended," Huggins said. "With somebody new, the recruiting class falls apart. You've got your third coach in three years. Keeping Frank, keeping that staff was the right thing to do."

In retrospect, Weiser's decision has been borne out time and again. Tom Crean is still rebuilding the Hoosiers rubble left after Kelvin Sampson's recruits abandoned Indiana and scattered across the country; Josh Pastner is down to eight players after Memphis' incoming class opted to follow John Calipari to Kentucky; Sean Miller spent most of his first few days in Arizona trying to persuade people to stay after Lute Olson left.

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Aided by Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen, the Cats are off to a 9-1 start in Martin's third season.
What makes Martin's hire legitimate now is not what he did when he had Beasley and Walker but what he has done since.

The former AAU coach has capitalized on his ties and long-standing relationships to bring a steady stream of talent to the middle of the Kansas plains. Calling on his home base of Miami, Martin got University of Miami transfer Denis Clemente to come to K-State. And with Hill, a former AAU coach in D.C., leading the charge, McDonald's All-American Wally Judge is following Beasley's path. Mix in Jamar Samuels (another D.C. recruit), UConn transfer Curtis Kelly and explosive scorer Jacob Pullen, and you have the makings of a dangerous team.

"We've been talking to these kids for years, and we've known their coaches even longer," Hill said. "It's not like we picked up the phone one day and started recruiting. People feel comfortable with us because they know us. We were one of them."

As K-State rounds the corner for what promises to be a brutal Big 12 season, Martin is taking stock of his team. Are his players ready for what awaits them? He's not sure. Last season, the Wildcats were counted out after dropping their first four league games. They rode the lack of respect to a 22-12 finish and an NIT berth.

This season, they're the new darling, and Martin is curious to see how they handle it.

This much he does know: The Wildcats have gotten better every season. The graduation rate, once the worst in the Big 12, is now best in the league. His players are an extension of him, playing with the same fierce intensity he hurls at them every day in practice.

And no one is vilifying him anymore.

"I know the opinion was I was hired because I could recruit Mike Beasley," Martin said. "Well, if you can't go recruit Mike Beasley and Jacob Pullen and Bill Walker, you don't deserve to be a head coach at this level.

"With all that said, we were trying to build a culture here from the day I got here. We weren't taking chances on kids who didn't want to be part of our long-term plans. We weren't going to take shortcuts. This was never about winning for one or two years."

The man many thought was hired to salvage a season has instead built a program.

[Saulbadguy]

Uh....badass.

http://a.espnradio.com/deportes/entr...tateParteI.mp3
http://a.espnradio.com/deportes/entr...ateParteII.mp3