Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[staylor26]

So you played one of the teams in a 9-0 monsoon game where the pass rush was irrelevant and the other you blew out 51-13 so the pass rush was also irrelevant.

This is the problem of looking at stats without context. I don’t care about the Redskins/Panthers stats. You aren’t going to tell me that their pass rush could’ve even been a factor in the games you played.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by All22

KC is 4th in Offensive Adjusted Sack Rate (i.e. Pass Protection) and 10th in Defensive Adjusted Sack Rate (Pass Rush).

The 49ers played the rest of the top 5 pass rushing teams:

PIT, SF, CAR, WAS, MIN.

KC only played one of them.

Ah. My mistake. I though you were saying the 49ers played all of the top pass protection OLs.

[All22]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Ah. My mistake. I though you were saying the 49ers played all of the top pass protection OLs.

Nah, it's a weird stat that has the same name for offense and defense and I didn't specify. My bad.

[DRM08]

All I know is Mahomes had a trash OL in college. It’s not possible at the NFL level for his OL to be worse in NFL terms than the college OL compared to other college OLs. So my response to the hype about the Niners pass rush is bring it on! There will be plays they have plenty of success, but Mahomes is also going to have his fair share of success making those pass rushers look kinda silly at times.

[All22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

So you played one of the teams in a 9-0 monsoon game where the pass rush was irrelevant and the other you blew out 51-13 so the pass rush was also irrelevant.

This is the problem of looking at stats without context. I don’t care about the Redskins/Panthers stats. You aren’t going to tell me that their pass rush could’ve even been a factor in the games you played.

What's your point?

[smithandrew051]

I don’t expect the Chiefs OL to completely shut down the 49ers pass rush.

I also don’t expect the 49ers DL to treat the Chiefs OL as a turnstile.

I expect probably 2 sacks...maybe 3 from the 49ers. As long as they aren’t strips for turnovers, then I don’t expect those few plays to wreck the game.

[htismaqe]

I'd expect to see some holding penalties.

[Mr. Plow]

Love being able to read about football that I care about this late in the year.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by All22

What's your point?

The point is you are including two teams who didn’t even get to rush the passer much against your team due to weather and the score. Not to mention they ****ing suck.

It’s a pointless ****ing stat.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by All22

4th Best Protection vs 2nd Best Pass Rushing... Unstoppable force vs Immovable Object indeed.

The KC OL faced 3 teams in the top 10 in adjusted sack rate:

5th - Minnesota - 5 sacks (No Mahomes though)
6th - Jacksonville - 0 Sacks
8th - New England - 1 Sack

For comparison sake, SF faced 6 teams in the top 10 in adjusted sack rate including all the teams in the top 5.

Our DLine faced the got 4 sacks against the #1 pass protecting team (the Rams) in our first matchup and 0 in our second matchup.

That Jacksonville matchup is the one that probably should hold the most relevance for 49er fans.

They play the same basic scheme. The Jags aren't as good at LB as the 49ers, though Myles Jack is the best out of the two groups. 49ers have more depth. At the time, Jacksonville still had Ramsesy and Bouye lined up outside, an elite CB tandem. DL were similar in overall talent, with a depth edge to the 49ers.

The Chiefs cooked that defense for 40 points despite losing Hill about 10 snaps into the game and Mahomes having his original ankle sprain happen in the first half.

The Jags' overall personnel at that time surpassed the Chargers (similar bookends, better corners, better cover LB). The only real difference was that the Chargers have Derwin James and no one else does.

Tartt is going to need to have a Derwin James-like impact against KC for the 49ers to really hope to significantly slow the Chiefs O on Sunday, IMO.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by All22

4th Best Protection vs 2nd Best Pass Rushing... Unstoppable force vs Immovable Object indeed.

The KC OL faced 3 teams in the top 10 in adjusted sack rate:

5th - Minnesota - 5 sacks (No Mahomes though)
6th - Jacksonville - 0 Sacks
8th - New England - 1 Sack

For comparison sake, SF faced 6 teams in the top 10 in adjusted sack rate including all the teams in the top 5.

Our DLine faced the got 4 sacks against the #1 pass protecting team (the Rams) in our first matchup and 0 in our second matchup.

Rams' games are interesting. First matchup, you dominated their offensive line. What happened in the second matchup? Did McVay make adjustments or do injuries or lack thereof explain the huge difference in the effectiveness of their passing offense?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Rams' games are interesting. First matchup, you dominated their offensive line. What happened in the second matchup? Did McVay make adjustments or do injuries or lack thereof explain the huge difference in the effectiveness of their passing offense?

Dee Ford had 1.5 sacks in the first game.

He didn't play in the 2nd game.

The drop-off in SF's pass rush when he's out is ridiculous. Seriously, like a 50% drop-off.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dee Ford had 1.5 sacks in the first game.

He didn't play in the 2nd game.

The drop-off in SF's pass rush when he's out is ridiculous. Seriously, like a 50% drop-off.

And he’s only averaged 28 snaps in the two playoff games.....AND come out and said that he’s not 100%.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dee Ford had 1.5 sacks in the first game.

He didn't play in the 2nd game.

The drop-off in SF's pass rush when he's out is ridiculous. Seriously, like a 50% drop-off.

Don't think I could handle losing another SB because of Dee Ford.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

And he’s only averaged 28 snaps in the two playoff games.....AND come out and said that he’s not 100%.

Exactly. He hasn't had a full week of practice since before his injury.