Browns sign Kareem Hunt

[wazu]

Statement from GM John Dorsey: pic.twitter.com/TUgoBalvkg

— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) February 11, 2019

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You’re right. He ONLY kicked her a little.

..he shoved her with his foot.

you seen those legs? if he truly kicked her, he prolly would've killed her.

[BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock]

Look at the Browns fans, jumping around and laughing and celebrating like a bunch of little school girls, as they should. They just scored a generational talent for next to nothing. I sincerely hope that who ever was responsible for Hunt getting cut plants a pistol firmly in their mouth and pulls that shit.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I knew it. I ****ing knew it.

Well done, Johnny boy. Take a lesson, Brett; that's all you can do here.

[Bump]

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

[tk13]

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

Your sound logic and measured take have no place in this thread. GTFO.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

So we should have what?

Held onto him and dealt with the media backlash after Kareem straight up lied to the Chiefs organization about what happened?

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m going to post this in bold so maybe some of the morons will get it

If we would’ve kept Hunt, the media would’ve unfairly drug Tyreek’s name through the mud as well

It had to be done

I'm going to post THIS in bold, so that hopefully some of the incredibly short-sighted people here will "get it":

If you consciously decide to let the media run your franchise, you have already lost, and have no business in this business.

This an area, along with player relations and contracts detrimental to winning that the Chiefs MUST get better at.

Originally Posted by RunKC

We know for a fact Brett Veach found Patrick Mahomes, not John Dorsey. How many other instances were there where Veach found a player and presented him to Dorsey?

Wasn’t he our scout that covered the SEC region when we drafted Chris Jones?

Dorsey is a really good scout, but I think Veach is too.

John Dorsey is a cutthroat sonofoabitch, and I hope he passed that along to Veach.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

If you consciously decide to let the media run your franchise, you have already lost, and have no business in this business.

Do you perhaps think you're being a little too black and white here?

There's acknowledging the fact that public opinion actually matters and has influence on the value of a business and needs to be considered.

AND

There's letting the media - and by extension public opinion - entirely influence every decision you make ("run your franchise," as you would say).

Clark Hunt has a business. One of his employees lied to him. Not about a minor infraction, but about something quite serious and something that could certainly impact the value of said business. That same employee also had a couple other similar incidents in just that offseason alone. If this isn't the NFL and we're not fans who are desperate for a Super Bowl, does anything about this make Clark Hunt really seem like a man who has ceded operational control of his franchise to the media mob?

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Bump

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

No, we should get no compensation at all for this.
The NFL NEVER asked us to let go of the best runner of the league for free.
It was a PC move aimed at earning us some general consensus and to please the media, so we already got AMPLE compensation.
Sure, you don't win Superbowls out of PC and general consensus, but that's an altogether different matter, and one that don't seem so high on the priority list of whoever decided to "donate" the top running back of the league to some other team.

I'm not questioning Mahomes being a generational talent, but matter of fact his stats have changed quite a bit since Hunt is gone.
Williams is a good running back, but not one you need to plan and double against.
That's why he made good numbers, and something that should be remembered every time we will see linebackers blitzing with DB playing man to man next year, same as the pats did on the AFCCG, because there was no Hunt to look out for.
We all know next year stats for Mahomes won't be the same as this year, and we will basically have a one-dimensional offense, with an average running back who can run for a fair gain here and there thrown in for good measure.
Given our offensive line, a RB who can make yards after contact (which Williams is not) is worth his weight in gold.

This stupid decision to release Hunt is one that will come back to bite us when it hurts the most, same as it did in the AFCCG this year.
Hope (and think) the "new" defense can make up for that, nonetheless letting Hunt go is something we will regret for a long time.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Clark Hunt has a business. One of his employees lied to him. Not about a minor infraction, but about something quite serious and something that could certainly impact the value of said business.

In football, the value of "said business" is STRICTLY AND DIRECTLY related to the number of Superbowls you win.
And yes, in order to win multiple Superbowls you certainly have to be "desperate" about it. This hardly comes as a "byproduct" of management aimed at general consensus.

[kcpasco]

Clark Hunt is a ****ing idiot. He’s lucky he landed Mahomes or this franchise would still be mediocre at best. That’s my opinion and all I’m going to say because I already melted down over cutting him before 24 hours even passed. I wish we had a better owner.

Should have just suspended him for the season but Clarky ego was hurt because he was lied to.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Do you perhaps think you're being a little too black and white here?

There's acknowledging the fact that public opinion actually matters and has influence on the value of a business and needs to be considered.

AND

There's letting the media - and by extension public opinion - entirely influence every decision you make ("run your franchise," as you would say).

Clark Hunt has a business. One of his employees lied to him. Not about a minor infraction, but about something quite serious and something that could certainly impact the value of said business. That same employee also had a couple other similar incidents in just that offseason alone. If this isn't the NFL and we're not fans who are desperate for a Super Bowl, does anything about this make Clark Hunt really seem like a man who has ceded operational control of his franchise to the media mob?

First, I will reiterate what the only other logical poster in this matter has said; these matters are to be handled internally. Period. There are and were several other ways in which this situation could have been handled to show Reid and Clark's displeasure at the situation, and this notion that Tyreek Hill would lose face over another man's actions is patently absurd.
Even thinking that way shows a mentality that seeks to placate and conduct damage control instead of handling the situation in a more nuanced, aggressive, and strategic manner.
You're going to sit here and tell me that the man and franchise who can walk to a podium on a weekly basis and spout "day to day" ad-nauseum to a press that just rolls its eyes and goes about its business can't perform a similar action regarding Hunt? Of course he could. If he wanted to, that is. And there isn't a damned thing the press could or would do about it. And as the big plays, TD's, and wins continued to pile up, the story of Kareem's private indiscretions fade out. This is the way of things, the way of winning teams in the NFL. You know this, and I shouldn't even have to explain it.

What this was, was a reactionary, hasty, and ill thought out action on the part of the Chiefs, and it cost them for the remainder of the 2018 season. Period. End of story.

At the end of the day, there are two things and two things ALONE that give this cluster**** a pass of grace:

1) The player in question was a running back. A talented running back, but a running back nonetheless. This position is not vital to our efforts, the position can be easily replaced, and Andy Reid has a good history of finding said position.

2) This event occurred well before the 2018 AFCCG and subsequent loss, and therefore occurred before Clark and Reid had their "come to Jesus"-moment regarding the reality of winning in this league, and what it's going to take to win in this league. I expect to see NO MORE of this type of bullshit going forward and so far, their actions speak to the validity of doing WHATEVER it takes to make this team a winner.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Bump

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

I think its complete bullshit too and we would have rolled over the Patriots and beaten the Rams in the Super Bowl.

[Sassy Squatch]

As if Hunt was going to play another down of football in 2018. He was going on the exempt list no matter what we did.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

As if Hunt was going to play another down of football in 2018. He was going on the exempt list no matter what we did.

It's not a matter of how many downs he would have played in 2018.
It's a matter of how many downs he will play in 2019, who they will be played for, and what we get in return for those downs not being played for us.

The EXACT SAME statement from John Dorsey may/should have come from Clark Hunt. I fully subscribe to the Dorsey statement when he mentions "clinic professionals".
That's a sensible statement from a GM who won't pass up on a chance to improve his team while minimizing PR issues.

Only reason KHunt should have been TRADED (not released) is if he was positive to CTE antibodies. I agree we don't need another Jovan Belcher as someone else said earlier on this thread.
A bad temper is one thing, a bad temper associated with the possibility of a brain disease is another thing.

[threebag]

We won’t have to worry about another K. Hunt incident popping up again. Imagine if they would have released the story after Wild Card weekend.

This all falls on K. Hunt... his actions.. his responsibility...