Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[The Franchise]

49ers DL Dee Ford said he's "not playing at 100 percent."

"I’m as healthy as I need to be," Ford said. "It’s not going to be 100 percent at this time of the year. But it’s enough to get the job done. We’re going to play." Ford has been limited for a majority of the season with knee tendinitis and an ailing hamstring, but he remains insistent he'll play through the pain on Sunday. He's totaled two tackles and a sack on 56 snaps through two postseason appearances.

Looks like Dee isn’t 100%. I’ll be interested to see how many snaps he plays. He’s only averaging 28 snaps per game in the playoffs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's like it was with Brady and Manning and such. You blitz, if you don't get there, he's gonna kill you. He's mobile enough that he's likely to be able to move enough to negate the blitz anyway.

So the best way is just like it's always been with any legit QB. Get there with 4 and drop 7.

Yeah, it's been just bizarre to watch the national guys try to make this into some 'EUREKA!' moment.

Getting pressure with 4 has been the preferred way to do it since time immemorial. Especially against quality QBs.

My new favorite stat is "Mahomes has thrown 16 of his 17 interceptions against 4 man rushes...."

Without acknowledging that Mahomes has a 109 passer rating against said fronts vs a 116 against the blitz. They're trying to make it sound like he's just out there slinging picks left and right when you put 7 in coverage but ultimately he just faces 7 in coverage a LOT more often.

The context these guys are having to willingly strip from the dialogue to make it sound like they've unlocked the Rosetta Stone here is just silly. Yes, it's ideal to get to him without sending an additional rusher. No, that guarantees you no particular level of success as he's still REALLY ****ING GOOD when you do that.

My only worry is that zone defenses take a little bit to get a feel for and he hasn't seen quite as much of those of late (on account of him routinely dissecting them). So I could see another iffy 1st quarter for him. Maybe another iffy 1st half.

I hope not - this will be a tough team to come back against if you let them get a 2 score lead. But it could happen if he struggles early with the disguised zone looks and has to fire before his guys can find a place to settle down into the holes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TomahawkChump

The Chiefs have been dominant this year.

If you're implying only one team can be dominant, sure, you'd have a coherent point.

Edited:

The fact that you honed in on, and got caught up on, one simple term to imply a good season by an 11 win playoff team with the second best QB in the league, shows your lack of awareness.

The fact that you think the 2019 Seahawks were anything more than a speed-bump demonstrates yours.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Looks like Dee isn’t 100%. I’ll be interested to see how many snaps he plays. He’s only averaging 28 snaps per game in the playoffs.

"Probably worth the 15 yard penalty to take Dee's knee out ...."

~M Florio

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that you think the 2019 Seahawks were anything more than a speed-bump demonstrates yours.

49ers fans have this really weird view of the Seahawks, they thought if they got them in the playoffs they'd lose...they view them like they are the almighty God, I guess years of beatings does that.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I noticed that both Clark and Jones mentioned last night that they absolutely had to contain the run first and foremost. Clearly it’s a message that the coaching staff pushed onto them.

I think you have to be very unpredictable in your schematic approach though cause if Shanahan knows what he’s getting consistently, he’s going to find ways to beat it.

That front line has to win the LOS more often than not to have a real shot at limiting their rushing output. Jones has to wreck some plays, Clark and the other ends have to set a firm edge. They seemed to understand that too, and that it was a necessity if they were ever going to have the chance to get after the QB.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Mecca

49ers fans have this really weird view of the Seahawks, they thought if they got them in the playoffs they'd lose...they view them like they are the almighty God, I guess years of beatings does that.

Similar to how the entire AFC West views KC.............

[TomahawkChump]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that you think the 2019 Seahawks were anything more than a speed-bump demonstrates yours.

Agree to disagree. Enough time wasted on the topic.

[The Franchise]

There it is folks. Richard Sherman is winning the SB for Kobe Bryant. Knew it was ****ing happening.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's like it was with Brady and Manning and such. You blitz, if you don't get there, he's gonna kill you. He's mobile enough that he's likely to be able to move enough to negate the blitz anyway.

So the best way is just like it's always been with any legit QB. Get there with 4 and drop 7.

Here’s the kicker: Manning and Brady are statues. Mahomes is as athletic as Russell Wilson at evading rushers and extending plays. That’s a huge difference.

It must be so goddamn hard to be a DL going against Pat. Rush to outside and he’ll just step up. Rush inside and he’ll step out of the pocket and buy time.

That’s got to be infuriating

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TomahawkChump

The Chiefs have been dominant this year.

If you're implying only one team can be dominant, sure, you'd have a coherent point.

Edited:

The fact that you honed in on, and got caught up on, one simple term to imply a good season by an 11 win playoff team with the second best QB in the league, shows your lack of awareness.

Your assertion is the Seahawks were dominant this year? Or have had a dominant run?

I'll give you the latter point. The former? Not so much.

Dominant teams don't have one-score wins against four teams picking in the top 10. Dominant teams don't have three more one-score wins against .500 teams.

[wachashi]

The Chiefs have played several run-first offenses this season. The Niners have played no one even close to the Chiefs in terms of play calling and scheme. There's no one like KC.

Pass Rate on First and Second Down Through First 3 Quarters




Posted this earlier, but it's so interesting it deserves to be posted again.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

49ers fans have this really weird view of the Seahawks, they thought if they got them in the playoffs they'd lose...they view them like they are the almighty God, I guess years of beatings does that.

Well when you spend the entire season convincing yourself of the "The NFC is brutally dominant" narrative, I guess you have to buy into the Seahawks.

I mean lord knows a Kirk Cousins Vikings squad isn't shit and I saw more than enough Packers football to know they were a mirage. The NFC East isn't even worth laughing at.

So unless the Niners and the Saints (before Brees ran out of gas) were enough to make a conference a bloodbath of some sort, you need to talk yourself into some 3rd team also being really good. Well Wilson shows up on highlight reels a lot and occasionally does some truly jaw-dropping stuff so let's just start saying that the Seahawks were really good despite having a damn near even point differential.

BUT MUH SCHEDULE STRENGTH!!!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I noticed that both Clark and Jones mentioned last night that they absolutely had to contain the run first and foremost. Clearly it’s a message that the coaching staff pushed onto them.

I think you have to be very unpredictable in your schematic approach though cause if Shanahan knows what he’s getting consistently, he’s going to find ways to beat it.

That front line has to win the LOS more often than not to have a real shot at limiting their rushing output. Jones has to wreck some plays, Clark and the other ends have to set a firm edge. They seemed to understand that too, and that it was a necessity if they were ever going to have the chance to get after the QB.

Yeah, worst thing that can happen to the Chiefs is to get "put in the rocking chair..."

You see changeup pitchers absolutely mind-**** hitters sometimes and it's a hilarious thing to behold. Poor hitters get so deeply buried in trying to guess fastball/change that they're slow on the fastball, fast on the changeup and completely helpless.

It doesn't happen often because it almost takes a mind-meld between pitcher/hitter for the pitcher to get in that kind of groove, but when it does you almost feel bad for the batter because they look stuuuuuupid.

Well if you have the team so hell-bent on stopping the run that they make themselves less aggressive against the pass, Alex Smith 2.0 there in SF has just enough ability to feed balls to Kittle and Deebo the same way v 1.0 did here in KC w/ Kelce and early Hill and hurt you badly. So after a couple of drives of that you adjust to pass and Shanahan is running now and the next thing you know your DL is struggling to tell which way is up.

Just let 'em play fast and aggressive. It'll open you up to some trap plays here and there but with a really stout set of DTs, they should at least be able to make enough of a mess inside to keep those to 8 yard gains instead of 80. It isn't about holding them to zero first downs - they'll get theirs. You just have to continue to make things difficult for them and eventually you'll get your stops.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

From a show this morning, Chris Simms said that Titans DC Dean Pees told his dad before last week’s game, “we’re not going to blitz him [Mahomes].”

Phil Simms asks why. Pees says, “cause he can’t be rattled. We’ve seen 2 years worth of tape and there is no way to rattle him.”

That speaks volumes about how defenses see him and the Chiefs in general.

His strategy failed pretty bad. I think you have to get pressure on any QB. Niners have a better chance of doing this with their front 4 compared to the Titans.