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Old 07-31-2014, 01:23 PM  
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***Official 2014 STL Cardinals thread part II***
Original thread was getting to large for the board

2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014 Central Division title and NLCS series win (so far)

This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.

Only 1 losing season since 2000.

Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.

Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.

Made the NLCS 8 times

Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.

60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:36 PM   #3751
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Not in the real world.

The only position we have open IMHO is CF. Who needs to be traded? Holliday but he ain't going anywhere. You don't trade wong or Adams now. Peralta but he probably got a no trade clause.

Trade Jay and a Taveras or Martinez for a power hitting CF, if those still exist.
Grichuk gives you pop in CFrance but it's not really a big deal. Competition was great for Jay though. I'd let him and Peter aND grichuk slug it out again
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:37 PM   #3752
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50% of this thread is us bitching about how much of a stooge Matheny is.

We know you aren't trolling.
I'm not sure if you're indicating that you think I should have noticed that or if you're reinforcing that you truly don't believe I'd troll, But I'd assure you I'd never kick any of these fans when they're down.
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And Oscar is untouchable. Seriously not movable.

He's gonna be a star
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The only real avenues toward improvement that the Cardinals have this offseason are on the bench. They need a RH bench bat that can platoon w/ Adams against lefties.

CF is bereft of FAs, so if you are trading Jay, what are you trading him for?
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Same article said that out of those $100 million baseball contracts only 1 in 25 or some odds like that ever get their moneys worth. That true too? If so.........

Matheny's dumbassery managing aside, Do the Cardinals worry about getting more out of Holliday or do they back off and say we got out money back. And slowly phase him out? Drop him in the order?
He was still a 3+ WAR player this year and one of the ten best hitters in baseball in the second half.

He's still a productive player, but it probably would be wise to use him more judiciously in the future to avoid injuries and fatigue.
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Grichuk gives you pop in CFrance but it's not really a big deal. Competition was great for Jay though. I'd let him and Peter aND grichuk slug it out again
Maybe Wong, Taveras and Adams can each give you 20 home runs each or all together give you 60 home runs. Holliday gives you 15. Peralta gives you 18. Grichek or the other OF gives you 12. Carpenter hits 12.

That gets us to 130 home runs.
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The only real avenues toward improvement that the Cardinals have this offseason are on the bench. They need a RH bench bat that can platoon w/ Adams against lefties.

CF is bereft of FAs, so if you are trading Jay, what are you trading him for?
Who's out there for that role?
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He was still a 3+ WAR player this year and one of the ten best hitters in baseball in the second half.

He's still a productive player, but it probably would be wise to use him more judiciously in the future to avoid injuries and fatigue.
He also keeps himself in great shape.
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FWIW, the team will have another $13 million to play with on the bench because they'll be free of the Wigginton and Ellis disasters, and Craig was scheduled to make $5.5.
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I'd be looking for another catcher to give Yadi more time iff
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Who's out there for that role?
No one. Literally. No one.

Corey Hart
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Michael Cuddyer (will command too much)
Billy Butler (is a DH only)
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Maybe Soto as a backup C, but given Yadi's refusal to leave the lineup, can you even get him to sign in such a reduced role?
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The only real avenues toward improvement that the Cardinals have this offseason are on the bench. They need a RH bench bat that can platoon w/ Adams against lefties.

CF is bereft of FAs, so if you are trading Jay, what are you trading him for?
I was thinking before the postseason on adding a power hitting 3B and moving carpenter to 2B. But now Wong's mental stability has caught up to his bat speed. No way you trade for 3B or 2B. Adams is set at 1B.

I just hate Jay.
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If jay could be what he was this year, you could move carp into the 2 hole.
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I'd look at moving Rosenthal for something. Use that money ton fix the pen
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